Im making a new automatic pick, pls help

[Hadrollo]

Ive been thinking about how a pick works and how I can make a new automatic pick. The design Im thinking of is a hollow tube, about 3 inches long with an electric motor on the back. A thin, yet strong, wire is pushed in and out of the tube slowly and you use a torque wrench as normal.

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You would have to use the pick as normal, but the up/down motion is un-necessary. This would make it rather effective for small locks.

Please post any comments and suggestions you may have.

[Chubby]

So what are the slow in and out none up & down movements of a pick inside of a lock supposed to achieve I hope your not thinking of what I think your thinking SCRUBBING and slowly, if so, you do not understand the principle behind that particular technique? Won't work my friend, back to the drawing board me thinks!...

[pointofview]

[quote="Hadrollo"]You would have to use the pick as normal, but the up/down motion is un-necessary. This would make it rather effective for small locks.[/quote]

From what I have come to understand, it is the up and downmoation (or rapid verrtical "kicking" or "hitting" of the key pins) which makes a pick gun/automatic pick effective. The pick hits the key pin, and according to physics, it's supposed to bounce the driver pin above the shear line. Now the hope is that at one point or another, all of the "bouncing" driver pins make it past the shear line at the same time, and THAT is when you apply tension on the plug. If you apply tension before you start picking, or while the driver should be bouncing, the binding action of the pins will not allow the bouncing to occur.

From what I've heard, it's a matter of timing the pin hits and tension perfectly, and has nothing whatsoever to do with scrubbing.

[pointofview]

awwww... and my quote didn't work. I'm sure you can all figure it out.

[Chubby]

From what I've heard, it's a matter of timing the pin hits and tension perfectly, and has nothing whatsoever to do with scrubbing.

So what have you heard/or do you think is happening to the pins whilst (rapidly) scrubbing ???

[pointofview]

Well I'm pretty new at this, so if I've said something wrong... just go out and tell me. I'm not sure what your question is, but I'll give it a shot:

I'm under the impression that "scrubbing" is the process of rapidly inserting and removing the snake rake (or half-daimond, or whatever floats your boat) while applying light tension to the plug. This would essentially push each pin up in an individual manner, just very very quickly.

And electric picks work by hitting ALL of the key pins rapidly, "kicking" all of the driver pins above the shear line, hopefully at the same time. The timing I was referring to was the small gap between "kicking" the pins, and applying tension. And no, I don't call this scrubbing.

If there's something I've said that is clearly wrong, just tell me.

[Chubby]

OK! scrubbing is the slow insertion then rapid removal of a pick of any configuration that "rocks your boat!"
Instead of working on one pin stack at a time, the rapid withdrawl of the pick causes all the stacks to jump up, as the bottom of the bottom pins are scrubbed, the resulting impact causes each pin stack not only to jump upwards, but to also seperate momentarily from each other, this seperation leaves a space between the bottom pin & the top pin. Repeated scrubbing at varying degrees of upward force as you withdraw the pick quickly will cause a point where all pin stacks have seperated at the sheer line. whilst applying light tension throughout there will be a point where the top pins will become trapped in the upper pin chamber & the plug will turn. This will nearly always work on a lock with bottom pins that have a slight size difference, however it can also aid in setting a majority of the upper pins of some locks with much less tolerances, you can then single pick what pins are left. In principle electric pics & the method of scrubbing work along the same theory....

[pkunicursal]

Search for a thread called 'electric toothbrush'. I posted an explination of how to make an electric pick. I dont have pics, however you can IM or email me with any questiuons.

[Hadrollo]

OK, I think you all mis-understand me. The hole in the end of the tube is pointed vertically so that the wire moves up and down. The torque wrench is inserted normally and pressed gently. The tube is inserted so that the wire presses the pin pressed the most against the side (no pins are perfectly straight). By slowly pressing on the torque wrench, the pins are seperated at the shear line on the way down. After one pin is done, move on to the next.

Please do not question my knowledge of lockpicking, I have only done it for a few months but I can unpick a regular padlock in about 45 seconds and I can do mushroom pins in about 5 minutes.

And yes I have seen the post about the electric toothpick, that is what inspired me to think about other forms of electric picks.

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[lockrabbit]

I think you are building an advanced pinlifter?

Find the binding pin, press it up, add tension and let the keypin fall untill the driverpin stays att the shearline, go to the next and do the same? It may work if you find the right tension where the pinresistans and springload are the same...

However, if you find that tension you dont need more than a hookpick to do the same job.

And.. how do you get the pipe in to the keyway... its pretty tight..

[Hadrollo]

Thats exactly what Im building.

Im going to build it at school. The school has recently purchased a $25000 computerised lathing and milling machine, Im making chess pieces on it (its still off limits to all but 4 other students). I simply put in a CAD drawing for half a tube with joining pins and joining holes at lunch (I'll be by myself). The thing can go as fine as 1/3 mm so im doing a 3/4 mm tube with a centre diameter of 1/3 mm.

[Scourge_Cooper_the_4th]

and what would all of this acomplish? i agree with chubby, it does sound like scrubbing the lock but i also agree that the up and down motion would hit the lock pins.now its not a bad thing but you have to remeber that the way you say things can also tell how you plan on using this thing.

[lockrabbit]

Search for a patent named "sputnik", its a decoder with up to six fine shims that lift all the pins, one at time.

[silent]

sputnik was the russian sattelite- cant find anything about sputnik and lockpicking
Correct me if im wrong

[PickPick]

I get three hits for sputnik using the search button and I was first with the satellite joke!