nde opening

[jax]

out on warrant run the other day
warrant officer was asking me about nde openings
i explained
to which he replied about the locksmith he had the previous week...
seems he drills a series of holes in mortice locks and removes the levers.... i`m sure he was joking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hmmmmm.........
surely a 40 mm bi-metal holesaw would be neater!!!!!!!!
hehe

[0161 locksmiths]

im sure he was trained by the british locksmiths association then because when i trained with them they taught me to drill using an 8mm drill bit i kid you not

[jax]

i guess its a safe option if you`re struggling to i.d it.........
the 8mm hole i mean........
not pulling the levers thro the lockcase........
ahem.....

[Shrub]

0161 Ever go into city safe?

[quicklocks]

i went into my local suppler the other day nd was showed a lock that a loacl capenter had brought in to get a replacement it was a chubb 110 sash that they had drilled with a 12 mm from the handle to the key hole to open it i nearly wet myself laughing and told the guy behind the counter that they can be picked and they can also be opened with a 2mm hole with no problems ( in the right place) with very little damage.
he wouldnt say who had drilled it

[0161 locksmiths]

do you mean city lock and safe ?

[Shrub]

yes

[0161 locksmiths]

yes they are based about half mile from where i live i only use them in an emergency they are quite expensive even though they give me discount but there handy to me theyve been going for years

[Shrub]

I find them grumpy most the time as well as expensive, ive get trade off them somtimes, im goiung to ask them to cut me some mul-t-loc bump keys when i can be bothered.

[0161 locksmiths]

i agree they only open when they can be bothered to especially on a saturday i take it you live close to me then i might be able to pass the odd job on to you if you do as i run another business along side this one so sometimes i get day calls that i cant go out to because of other commitments

[Shrub]

Im not to far up the A6 but a bit too far to come down for a job, but if you get stuck

Im up near Buxton.

[pinky]

8mm is small , ive seen 13mm used, get your head in that one.

the trouble stems not just with the BLA, but with all cowboy training outfits, of which there are now many, but the so called locksmith shoulders blame too, as if not up to the job why are they doing it ?
Before anything can be done about the drillers they must ban all training outside of accredited bodies, training must be controlled .

why do people believe that all they need to be a locksmith is a drill.

[EvoRed]

I still go out on warrant runs now and get the odd new rep that can't believe you've opened something without a drill and don't need to replace the lock either. And these are reps that have been in the job quite some time. I've no idea what's allowed to go on in some area's, I'm sure...

And Gary, I think you were being generous with the 8mm comment. I heard the phrase 'and stick your head in' many a time...!