Snapping/pulling/bumping Eurocylinders?

[pinky]

banham have some very nice bump proof locks, but not all banham locks will be bump proof or pick proof.
Abloy do a nice anti snap euro that also wont bump , multilock do a new bump proof lock too, but not the 7 pin garrison spoke about here, that bumps in 10 seconds and picks in a minute.

some nice key fob entry systems and biometric systems are now available which will cause major headaches, but expensive, but certainly bump proof and pick proof.

But still of all of the crime reports i see, none to date have been subject to non destructive picking methods.

[facade]

Wiggle has it exactly.
You take your own spare key (Mum I've lost my key!) and file it into a bump key, then see who's house you can get in.
The mul-t-lock needs a ground drill (for the inner and outer pin) and some careful drilling to make a bump key.

But it is easy and cheap to make a lock bump resistant, simply by having a random 2 of the 6 pins restricted to #5, then you would need 15 different bump keys for each cylinder, so why is it so hard to get one in the UK?

If someone wants in badly enough they are getting in whatever I do.

[toomush2drink]

Restricted keys are not that easy to get, the system i use means that even if you discover the supplier they will still contact me first before supplying anymore keys. The evva gpi series has over 32000 profile sections available so if you can get a bump key for everyone of those your still going to need a huge bag to carry them all in let alone try them all !!
The banham dimple type cylinders dont have top and bottom pins so cant be bumped, in fact ive yet to find a way to pick them or even set 2 pins. The pins are opposite each other so applying tension and setting one means the opposite pin is now over set. The only way to allow it to move is to release the tension but now the other pin unsets, good locks.
I would be more interested in how strong my door and frame are as most burglaries ive attended have had the door kicked in or forced.

[Jlo]

Thanks toomush2drink,

Do you know of a website where you can get more info on the Banham dimple lock as all the info I can find is on http://www.banham.com/ which just describes the cylinder as 6 pin.

Would be interested to have a closer look or whether anyone has done a cutaway on one.

Cheers again. I think your coments on making sure door and door jam are strong are absoutly right. However you know what its like, when you have an interest in locks you just want to have a good one on the door. Would love to have a Banham on the door. Sure not many around in Worcester (If any!)

Cheers

Jlo

[NKT]

There's probably a few in Hereford, though.

I've got two Banhams, and they are very nice cylinder locks. I don't have the dimple style ones, though, so I can't help you with that.

[zaphod_beeblebrox]

I'd say get a good lever lock and a compliment to another euro-cylinder, such as a medeco biaxial or a mul-t lock or an EVVA 3KS or MCS (though they're quite expensive). With a lever-pin cylinder combination, nearly any cylinder will do actually. But you can't be too safe, can you?:-P