This Winkhaus eurocylinder is laughing at me.

[jordyh]

Hello,

I'd like some help in the field of tools and/or picking technique, so i'll just post it here because of the locks origin.
See, i have this lock in my winkhaus collection, and i'm desperately trying to pick it. I'm having quite some difficulty with it because of the pin heights.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e304/Jhofhuis/winkhaus%20stack/winkhaus71624.jpg
This is the key, coded 71624 (stamped on the key).

Now as you can see, it's got some crazy mountains and valleys, and there is this pin that i can's seem to set. This is the second last pin (allmost on the tip of the key, pin-code:2) it's in between some rather high pins.
Now, to really frustrate me, there are 2 spool pins in this lock (this particular manufacturer ALLWAYS does that), and one of those spool pins is below the pin i'm having difficulty with.
Problem now becomes: a pin i can hardly reach that i can't pick because it gets caught on as the last pin to pick.
Because the pin prior and post to it are already set, those are rock steady, and this gives me no room to reach in there with my SO hook and push the sucker down.
Trying to get a decent photo of the keyway, but i can't seem to get my cheapo camera focussed. (To give an idea of the keyway: it looks simple, but it's the devil, it's just a regular S shaped keyway, but it allows no tool controll in the upper 4 mm of the plug. Leaves enough room for the wrench though, i suppose.)

My questions to you are the following:
1) Is there a pick made for this purpose?
2) Could this be solved by not picking the spool pins as the last, and if so, how is this done?

So far, i've been able to pick it once (this morning), and i have absolutely no idea how i did it, (well ok, i was toying with my half diamond, but it could have been mindless raking, and i'm a fervent single pin picker).

Any help is appreciated.

Yours,

Jordy

[zeke79]

That is the standard winkhaus cylinder line. A step under the Type AZ but I cannot remember the name for sure for the cylinder you have. Nothing special in the lock, a couple security pins and a keyway profile similar to a standard corbin if I recall correctly. Try using a pick modeled after the peterson gem to get a little extra lift without disturbing other pins.

[rohi]

I have a winkhaus in my frontdoor wich also has a high-low bitting like the one you have, but i picked it regularly with not much trouble.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/ ... nkhaus.jpg
I did make a hookpick with a longer hook than normal (about 5mm in total), this just reaches far enough without getting jammed in the keyway.
I'll make a pic of that one later.

Ronald

[jordyh]

Yup, that's the one.
Thanks for the picture.
That's the keyway i have.
It kills my tool controll in the upper half of the plug.
Actually thinking of making a bump key for that model, got enough keys to screw up anyway. (Yes, i'm THAT desperate to make the plug turn.)


Yours,

Jordy