Warning to UK Lockies

[Mark A]

Fitted one of the new ERA BS Nightlatches today,but the fitting template was VERY WRONG.(Luckily I never trust templates and checked it before drilling the 3 main holes through the door).

Thought i would just warn everyone because if the holes were drilled to the template and then redrille correctly you would have three very big holes in the door

Apart from that the locks look good quality and operate smoothly.

Mark

[Shrub]

I dont think ive ever used the templates but great heads up anyway,

Give era a mail they may even reward you for it

What was the code of the lock? are you refering to the fortress and if so what size was it?

[Mark A]

Shrub

It was the new BS Nightlatch 1930-32.

Like you I dont normally use the templates but with the pull/cylinder guard being bolt through it would have saved a lot of measuring if the template had of been right.

Mark

[Shrub]

Ah sorry i misread that, sounds a strange one that does, someone obviously not doing their homework,

Are they all out to each other as well or are the spacings right but just in the wrong place? therefore would moving it one way or the other solve the issue?

[Mark A]

The centre line from the edge of the door mark is 7mm out and the bolt through holes in relation to the cylinder hole are also wrong so however you move it the holes are in the wrong place.

Looks to me that the whole template is about 12% smaller than it should be to work. Or maybe the lock I had was 12% too big

Mark

[Shrub]

Massive printing error there, get on the blower to them its got to be worth somthing to save those law suits for new doors all over the place,

[Bump]

I assume its still a 40/60 mm measurement from the edge of the door and you can then work out the remaining spacings for the lockguard?

Good spot though!

[Mark A]

Yes they are 40/60, like an upgraded version of 193/183.

Once the rim cylinder hole is drilled it is easy enough to mark the other 2 holes.

Mark

[horsefeathers]

Reminds me of a guy I knew when I was working in the boat building trade producing ocean-going yachts. All the deck winches come with templates which are generally taped in place to the deck and you drill the necessary holes right thru the paper and thru the teak and grp deck. Anyway, he thought it would be a good idea to take a photocopy of the template and keep the original aside in case he ever got a winch without the template inside.

So he got it photocopied and placed the copy on the deck and drilled these holes thru the yacht's teck deck. Then discovered the bolt holes he had drilled didnt align with the bolt holes in the winch body. Much head scratching, not to mention the Foreman's wrath, then the reason was uncovered.

When photocopying he hadn't noticed that the copier had been set to a 10% reduction mode by the previous user and not been reset. So of course his copy, and dimensions, were 10% shorter!

Perhaps in the ERA production dept, some office girl simply photocopied the templates in this batch of locks at the wrong setting. Maybe there are thousands of them out there in the market with the wrong size templates.....

regards

[Shrub]

If you fit a lot of the same lock its quite a good idea to make some templates out of aluminium, they can be used time and time again and you know your goign to be right everytime.

[Magic]

.....some office girl......

It's kinda good to see sexism still exists these days

[Keyring]

People also seem to forget that photocopiers almost always expand the image by a couple of percent. They do this to avoid a black line round the outside where the paper didn't quite align.

[Skips]

Actually most photocpiers, at least those Ive used recently have 100% perfect reproduction and a white background instead of any other colour, it just doesnt print the outside few millimetres, so yeah I would definatly do a check on any photocopier but Im fairly certain most have a perfect 1:1 reproduction.