Info on the picking function of euro cly

[xlr8ed1]

this is part of an ongoing post with DARKANGEL but i would be interested to know if i am talking crap or not regarding the tip of key being needed to open the lock or not (picking the lock will just cause the lock to turn around and around and do little)

I pulled apart x2 abloy protec Euro cly + turn today that were on the bottom of big glass doors - the tip of key pushes in a springloaded cam which then engages the black "arm" that rotates and unlocks the door. The problem today was that the holes were the locks fitted into was full of dirt (being on the bottom of the doors) and as such was compacted by the lock bolt. They forced the lock closed (due to the dirt) and had rounded of edges inside the abloy protec cly and as such the key turned around and around because the tip of the key (and the spring loaded cam) rolled over the black 'arm' because it had no square metal to 'hold onto'

there some cheap euros with "floating" black arms (cams or whatever you know it as) that can be opened with out a key engaging the back of the lock. Those with "fixed" cams (i.e. the are solid and only move only with the key) need the tip of the key to turn the lock.

i will post pictures on lockpicking101 if i knew how

[archiebald]

Would be nice to see picture of that

[FuSL]

xlr8ed1,
if you want to you could send me the pictures [ fuslz@web.de ] and I'll upload them somewhere and post them here, if that's the problem :]

Only make sure it ain't more than 4 MB.. :]

[Mad Mick]

xlr8ed1

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[scifibuff]

I found the same thing with a six pin Yale Euro lock. In fact I wondered and tried without success to bypass turning the cylinder ,nothing was small enough and strong enough to turn the cam and open the lock. I discovered the cylinder had to be turned to allow the cam to engage as the thumb turm was permantly engaged as this lock had a thumb turn on the inside. Not sure if it would be the same without the thumb turn. You should still be able to open once the lock is picked by slideing a flat blade through feel the groove in the cam turn and open the lock.
I have the lock in pieces we possibly could compare pics see if there are many differances.
Scifibuff

[mbell]

Yes, I've also found the same. Some times I pick a euro cylinder and the cam/part that turns the locking mechanism in the door doses not turn.

I can't remember which manufacturer's locks this happened with. It seemed to work if I pressed the mechanism in the middle of the lock when picking.

[LittlePeaceful]

Something very similar has been discussed here:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=1413

Some ISEO euro cylinders use a mechanism of the same kind.

[toomush2drink]

Yes the core does spin round on some euros if there is a thumb turn or a key in the other side as it has priority on the cam. I have over come this by picking the lock and inserting some sweeper bristle to the back of the lock to push back the cam and take control of it. Gegge shouldnt have this problem but mila and a few others do.