council re-think on nde

[st7v7n]

i sub contract to a local council and in the past they haven't been bothered how you got into a property just as long as you did. but now with all the new plastic doors been fitted they don't want them damaging. so guess what, there finally sending me on a locksmithing course. don't know which though just hope its a good one. can anyone recommend any in leeds. thanks

[Tattoo Guy]

Dont let them send you on a local course just for the sake of saving a few quid.

Have a look at the training offered by Pinky on here also look at the safe ventures courses and the chris belcher courses as well.

It all depends on how much knowledge your work requires of you as to the amount of training you need, if your only dealing with upvc stuff it should be quite simple as even entering destructively shouldn't damage the door.

Hope that helps

[woffski]

Im from out Sheffield way and i have just been on Pinkys 3 day course. I can't reccomend it enough !!!!

By the time i left there wasnt a lock he gave me that i couldnt open, eventually

Before i went there i was a complete novice and was over the moon that i could open a cylinder with no antipicks in, and now i can pick BS locks with the CB pick im bouncing about like a little kid on Christmas morning.

Again i cant reccomend his course enough, even if he is a cheeky cockney barrow boy , and Nottingham aint to far from you either.

good luck

Woff

[quicklocks]

i did pinkys course and also recomend it.
he tells you like it is and does not give you the veiw through rose tinted specs
i went to him a novice with bs locks and came away with a knowlede of them that has helped me every day since also his entusasim is contagious

[pinky]

that rash isnt called enthusiasm tim !!! but your right its bloody contageous!

[Shrub]

[pinky]

if leeds council are looking at nde on upvc doors, then its not training they need, its to ensure that their contractors have the right pick guns , thumb turn turners ( i advise the green and yellow ones) , and a little upvc lock knowledge.
if they want you to learn a bit about upvc when the mech goes wrong, then a good start is the dg supplyline course in southend, though if they have 10 people to put on it, then they will bring the course to leeds.

[nhughz]

The DG Supplyline course is definately worthwhile if its UPVC knowledge your after. Especially as Pinky says dealing with failed mech's.

[Lukekjackson]

Pinky,
From what you said about just needing the right pick gun etc for the upvc side of thing does this mean that a someone could work NDE in England without spot on (pin tumbler) hand picking skills.

All,
How often do trading lockies hand pick pin tumblers? What % can be bypassed and will a good electric gun replace the skill (I realise you still need to practice to be effective with the guns)

[pinky]

you will always find one that the gun cant open, and hand picking is required.
sadly most councils will not allow a worker the training time and practice time to develop the skill required, most councils will have their guys taught to drill, as this wont damage the door or the mech.

nothing replaces the art, but the art takes some people years to master, a pick gun is a quick route to opening.

[radioman1974]

I worked with the council joiner back in the late eighties,they were drilling then and still are now,the bloke i worked under had no training except drill templates,mind you all the locks were made by era so he knew were to drill,and another strange one i saw 2 nights ago was the police not kicking or picking a drug dealers door in but they were using some type of thermal lance which just sliced through the upvc like butter and no noise whatsoever.

[Gordon Airporte]

they were using some type of thermal lance which just sliced through the upvc like butter and no noise whatsoever.

There must have been a smell, though? Still - the odor would not travel as fast as sound, if they're looking to sneak up on the inhabitants.