Bumping norwegian locks?

[Stianbl]

Well, I'v actually never thought of it before, but most of the locks in norway are facing down, or what ever term you use. =)
The pins are at the bottom of the lock, not the top. Wouldn't this ruin the consept of bumping the lock, as all the pins will just follow downwards? Are there any technique that could be used at these locks?

It's not easy to live in norway and pick locks Most doors have high security trioving locks as a standard, really narrow keyways, and also facing downwards.. Great! ^^

[weerwolf]

Bump keys work in either direction. It doesn't matter at all if the pins are facing up or down.

[Stianbl]

Really? Are you sure of this? Because I know the way it works very well, but it seemes like it wound be a bigger problem when the pins are facing downwards...

But by all means, if your sure I do believe you. Just a thought that crossed my mind...

[Jaakko]

It's not easy to live in norway and pick locks Most doors have high security trioving locks as a standard, really narrow keyways, and also facing downwards.. Great! ^^

So? Why are you concerned of locks that people have on their doors? Here in Finland about 99% of doors have Abloys and that doesn't bother me at all that they are almost "impossible" to pick.

[Stianbl]

It wasnt ment as a completely serious statement. Even though I think it makes it a bit harder over here than in the USA.. When thats said, I dont even think I could pick a lock over there either, so I didnt mean to sound arrogant in any way.

I'v only had luck with padlocks so far, which have a nice keyway and are fairly easy to open. (some abus, and a lot of vovo cheap locks )

The point for this post was actually just to ask if there was any problems bumping a norwegian lock. As I felt like there would be. But seemes not.

[raimundo]

there may be much more information on bumping those at the dutch site, named Toool.nl the europeans have done some extensive testing on bumpkeys in high security locks, The germans also, but they do not post much for the public I think, better to just get in a conversation with one of the people who know all this stuff and are willing to talk about it. Perhaps Barry Wels could direct you to some information on the web.

[Stianbl]

Thanks I will post here if I get any more information. =)

[Barry]

Han and I did a presentation at HackCon in Norway in 2006 and can tell you Trioving locks can be bumped. 'European mounting' (upside down) does not make a difference ...

Some of the Trioving locks have a sidebar mechanism just like the ASSA Twin series and can only be bumped if you manage to make a key with the correct sidebar. From what I have seen the side bar combinations are 'dealer specific', so a couple of keys should cover your area

And I agree, Trioving makes very nasty locks, and the keyways can be 'impossible' (meaning very difficult). Not to mention the serrated pins and 'seven pin' versions of the lock ...

Good luck and kind regards,

Barry

[raimundo]

A post from Barry Wels,
he posted here only a couple of times in the last few years, his post count is 23, but its worth clicking on his profile and then clicking on the tiny print that says view all posts by barry. this will seach out all his posts, and you can follow links from them.

[han_fey]

Barry and I were indeed a few years ago in Oslo, in Norway. As usual we visited some local lockshops, we walk then a lot or we take a cab. One shop was a Trioving dealer and he had a lot of this stuff on stock. Also his waist bin was filled with all kind of locks.

We bumped open some of these (new and old) Trioving locks but some we did not. It seems there was a serie of 7-pin Triovings locks, with a protected keyway, which had a special strong spring in the last chamber.

Purpose of the spring was to make the lock harder to pick, but it seems now that it also offered protection against bumping.

Somewhere somehow I have this lock in my collection

Sincerely,

Han

[raimundo]

Member since 04 and its a first post


WELCOME TO LP101, come back often.

[raimundo]

Think of this site as a place to meet people who cant get to sneek for whatever reasons.

[Stianbl]

Hehe, thanks for the information =)

First post since 04.. Nice ^^ And I will check out Barrys other posts too