GEGE cylindical eurolock

[Shaun1987]

This is the hardest thing i've attempted to pick so far (being new) I'm wondering what peoples opinions are on it. Is this a type or brand that is hard to pick? what sort of rotational pressure should I be applying compared to common padlocks (VERY little).


I also have a LEGGE front door lock, circle shape. I have yet to do this one yet, however both need (I think) a dual tension wrench, which I am in the process of procuring!

These are locks I found in my shed, old locks, I have no idea of their quality or difficulty!

Any advice is appreciated, thanks!

[mhole]

Gege are hard -I've not had any joy picking them so far. Nasty serrated pins and tight tolerances.

Legge aren't too tricky, and have nice big keyways so you've got plenty of room to work.

[Solomon]

GeGe are made by kaba, very tough locks. The tolerances are very tight, and they tend to have nasty bittings aswell. Here are the pins form one I stripped recently:



You can tell the difference between false/real sets with practice. Also on the inside some of the pin chambers there is a slight countermilling:



This countermilling is different to ASSA locks, which are designed to snag the security pins and prevent them being raised fully. In GeGe locks, it's just a slightly wider milling on the inside of the pin chambers which creates a false shear line. This means that when a pin feels set, it might still need raised a tiny amount to set properly.

Now that you know this stuff you should be able to interpret what's going on in there a lot better. Good luck!

[Shaun1987]

Thanks for the information and pics! It will help when I next take a crack at them however I feel it will be a while before I can crack them consistently.

Shaun.

[Shaun1987]

that lock is hard! I'm going to leave it for a while! I can set most of them but the back ones are tricky.

I'll get me some medium level padlocks I think, the Gege lock is way to hard for me at the moment!

[Solomon]

Heh, they're tough alright... been picking for years myself and still no joy with em, should force myself to sit down with one and not let myself do anything else till it's cracked

[Rickthepick]

id save that one for when you have a few hundred locks under your belt. you need sensitive fingers. Iv picked a few of these but never on a job

[Northwest1]

yep, deffo one for the pick gun when on a call...

[nicholls]

Build these all the time at work. Hard, yes. Tolerances tough, yes, they should be there are 10 different depths of top pins, and if you happen to have a six pinner, 1 million possible combinations. Not to mention the keyway's designed to deter the use of picks even more so than standard cylinders. Put this into perspective the cylinders can retail at £55 each.

Some Grundmann cylinders also have a single side pin.