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Best euro cylinder protector.

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby ARF-GEF » 6 Mar 2014 9:34

That looks decent, from what I can tell the picture :)
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby cristimm » 17 Mar 2014 5:11

cristimm wrote:Found a nice one from LOB (Poland). I don't know if the marked thread is M8x1 ore M8x1.5. I want to replace the original screws with M8 all the way through the door.
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Got the email answer from LOB: The screw is M8x1 (hard to find). :(
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby Squelchtone » 17 Mar 2014 6:56

Before you put the screws in, if there is enough space, drop in a small steel ball bearing to slow down anyone drilling the lock. Or are you more concerned with a wrench attack?

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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby ARF-GEF » 17 Mar 2014 7:26

Wow, that is a great idea!
How come I never thought of that... :oops:
off to find an big assortment of varying size hard ball bearings...
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby ARF-GEF » 17 Mar 2014 7:53

Got excited and did a bit of research.

It might be sensible to use ceramic ball bearings, they don't corrode and behave much better when spun quickly (including handling the resulting heat).
Even more importantly: are also much harder (comparing the already very hard 63 HRc (~815 HV) of chrome-steel balls to the hardness of most ceramic balls ( Aluminium oxide, ruby and sapphire and silicon nitride which have a hardness of 1700 HV! ( :shock: )
They are a bit pricier but you only need very few anyway. And those qualities are just so cool you know I know I want them :D :P

I would avoid zircon-oxide since it's hardness is around or marginally less than of Cr-Steel, (but pricier here).

Don't forget though that at the place where the ball is the screw is not holding, so as SQ already pointed out it's a compromise to raise drill resistance with giving up prying resistance. I would think it though on a case-by-case basis whether that makes sense, considering how much area of binding between the screw and the object is left behind the ball.
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby GWiens2001 » 17 Mar 2014 8:09

Would wonder about shatter resistance. Not experienced with ceramic bearings, but in most things, there is a trade between hardness and flexibility. Make something too hard, and it may break or shatter under high pressure, such as the leading edge of a drill bit focussing all the force into a very tiny surface area.

The ceramic bearings is probably a great idea, but love Squelchtone's idea of putting bearings there in the first place.

Perhaps you could drill a hole in the end of the screw about the size of the bearing, so the screw still has the strengty of all the threads. The bearing would reinforce the inside of the screw, keeping the threads from collapsing under tension during a snapping attack, yet still provide drilling protection.

See what happens when a 'simple' question is brought up here? We pool our ideas and come up with some good suggestions.

Absolutely love this site for the continuing ingenious ideas that pop up. :-D

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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby Squelchtone » 17 Mar 2014 8:16

*** Not my original idea, Medeco deadbolt installation includes a couple steel ball bearings for this purpose. They also include 2 smaller ball bearings which press into the allen head screws that keep the two halves of the deadbolt together, so an attacker with access and time (such as an office employee trusted to be there or visit there), cannot quickly take the deadbolt apart in order to degrade its security or learn how it is pinned up in order to come back later with a working key.

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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby ARF-GEF » 17 Mar 2014 8:42

And how does the owner get the smaller ball out of the allen head?
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby GWiens2001 » 17 Mar 2014 9:42

ARF-GEF wrote:And how does the owner get the smaller ball out of the allen head?


Easy...

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Love an excuse to use that picture. :)

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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby ARF-GEF » 17 Mar 2014 14:24

Bwahahahaha! :D :D
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby billdeserthills » 20 Mar 2014 16:19

ARF-GEF wrote:And how does the owner get the smaller ball out of the allen head?


I use an auto center punch to loosen the bolts & after servicing just put the Medeco back together the same way
& tighten with the auto center punch. Those ball bearings only slow down the amateurs
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby GWiens2001 » 20 Mar 2014 16:31

Nice tip, BDH! :-)

On bolts that use a shear head (the head shears off when proper torque is applied, leaving nothing for a tool to get ahold of), I use a chisel and hammer to turn the bolt. It does not apply in this particular use, but it does have use with some other types of locks.

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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby cristimm » 21 Mar 2014 2:31

Thank you all for the tips.
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Re: Best euro cylinder protector.

Postby Sublimis » 2 Apr 2014 14:34

WOW, those are crazy! Your thief will take one look at that and go though the window...
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