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Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

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Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby fgarci03 » 7 Jun 2013 5:58

So today I got this new lock I've been expecting...

The Magnum Israeli!
It's supposed to be a high security wafer lock. But is made in China!

I think we all agree that it's a beautifull lock:
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Here's the key from both sides and it's profile:
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I still haven't figured out if it has 7 (4 on the bottom, 3 on top) or 8 (4/4) wafers. The key only has 3 cuts on top, but it's possible that there is a 0 (zero) cut, thus, another wafer.

So what's this lock all about?
First of all, as usuall, sloppy tolerances. Very easy to pick. SPP or raking, doesn't matter. The only think I have to vouch for is the tight keyway. It's difficult to move your pick around, and even more difficult to know in which wafer you are in with this keyway. I give them credit for that.
But still easy nonetheless.

After that comes the physical security. Well... See for yourself:
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The part where the arrow is pointing is kinda loose. Doesn't come out of course, but wiggles a bit. And the metal on that part looks fragile. I believe it breaks if I throw it to the floor.
I also noticed that if I grab both sides of the cylinder and pull them appart, it has a slight give, just under 0,5mm, which supports my theory of it's fragility.

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Whether it's for weight or money savings, the truth is that the cylinder is hollow where the arrow is pointing. It has a small square of foam to cover the hole, but when I removed it it had a deep hole. Doesn't look very tough too.

No sure if you also noticed (can't see very well in the pics), the quality of the threading for the screw is crap too. It still has the mould marks. The screw fits nicelly though (at least that!) :mrgreen:


I still haven't figured out how to disassemble this cylinder without destroying it. The C-Clips aren't C-clips, are just metal rings that can't be removed. The plug wouldn't come out from the front anyway (would be a good security feature, had the lock not be so fragile). It looks to be secured by those 2 ball bearings that hold the whole cylinder together. I would guess they are glued, but don't have enough information to support that theory.
It shouldn0t be that interesting to gut this lock anyway. a couple wafers, nothing more.

It was worth to buy this lock, as I really like uncommon styles, but it's just that, interesting.

Would I consider using this lock anywhere (got it from ebay for abou 12 or 13 bucks)? NO WAY. I can find a cheaper lock that is much better than that.

Here's a short clip of raking it:

As you see, my difficulty is to move the pick around a bit (and the angle of picking so the camera would catch it didn't help). On a perfect position I have picked it in under 10 secs but I gues it was luck. Average time in raking is about 25secs. On SPP'ing (in a good position) just over 45secs usually.

Hope you enjoy the lock and if anyone has one of these, see if the key has 7 or 8 cuts please :mrgreen:
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby ARF-GEF » 7 Jun 2013 7:02

Interesting lock and cool vid Fgarci! :)

Judging from the pictures I agree with you that this is a cheap lock pretending to be high security. But the principle of a wafer euro profile is very interesting.
And it look pretty nice if we disregard the smallish details! :)
LOL the middle part, the one you mentioned looks fragile is supposed to be the strongest part of a modular lock. That is what hold it together against snapping :D :D
It definitely looks like a cheap crappy lock :S

For non destructive disassembly look into getting out the screws at the bottom. Usualness they are just pushed in from one side and they can be pushed out rather easily.
(I mean the screw right below the J in "WJL")

Nontheless congrats on picking it this is the first officially high security lock yo pick I think so that is nice!
After all now you can proclaim that you conquered even locks claimed to be high security! :D

Have you tried raking it with the snowman or ball/half ball picks?
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby fgarci03 » 7 Jun 2013 7:34

ARF-GEF wrote:For non destructive disassembly look into getting out the screws at the bottom. Usualness they are just pushed in from one side and they can be pushed out rather easily.
(I mean the screw right below the J in "WJL")

They're ball bearings, don't know how to get them out. Any ideas?

ARF-GEF wrote:Interesting lock and cool vid Fgarci! :)

Nontheless congrats on picking it this is the first officially high security lock yo pick I think so that is nice!
After all now you can proclaim that you conquered even locks claimed to be high security! :D

Have you tried raking it with the snowman or ball/half ball picks?

I wouldn't say that. I've picked other chinese "high security " locks. Most of them easier than a regular lock with spools :mrgreen:
A ball pick doesn't even fit there. Maybe a half-ball does but I don't have any.
I've used the half-diamond and medium hook to pick it.

It appears the real name of this lock is Magnum Mont Blank 2100
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby fgarci03 » 7 Jun 2013 7:36


Here's another picking and explanation of this lock.
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby l0ckcr4ck3r » 9 Jun 2013 23:10

Great Vid fgarcia03!! Im glad you showed this lock... ive seen them on ebay and couldn't even find a website for the company, thanks.
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby ice_man » 2 Aug 2013 15:45

i think that middle part may be some form of anti snap device possibly ?
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby zeke79 » 2 Aug 2013 16:05

It is really hard to tell from the videos but the key and keyway seems very similar to the fichet 666.
For the best book out there on high security locks and their operation, take a look at amazon.com for High-Security Mechanical Locks An Encyclopedic Reference. Written by our very own site member Greyman! A true 5 Star read!!
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

Postby ARF-GEF » 2 Aug 2013 17:39

Is that a wafer lock as well? (the fichet 666)

They're ball bearings, don't know how to get them out. Any ideas?

A pinch of aggression and much force? :S Not really sure to be honest :D

i think that middle part may be some form of anti snap device possibly ?

It should be but as far as I gather it's so cheaply made that it does not really fulfil that function.
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Re: Israeli Magnum "High(low)-Security"!

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