kaba star lock trouble

[amature enthusiast]

can anyone give me any advice on how to get around one of these. i live in switzerland and am an amature pick having only started 3 years ago. i have never tried to pick anything other than pad-locks and simple door locks and dont understand how to bypass the kaba star lock. i just know the key is sideways with grooves rather than the locks i picked in america with the teeth at the bottom. any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you very much

-AE

[skold]

If you don't know how this lock works i would suggest you meet my search engine friend mr.google...http://www.google.com.au


i guess this is the type of lock your on a bout and come to think of it it looks a good challenge

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kagihashi.co.jp/sho/kaba_star_.png&imgrefurl=http://www.kagihashi.co.jp/shohin.html&h=251&w=478&sz=110&tbnid=QZ5or5ZrFWMJ:&tbnh=66&tbnw=125&start=6&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkaba%2Bstar%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

wow now thats a long url...

[mbell]

LOL

First of all, research exactly what you're up against......

Then you probably won't bother trying to pick it, but if you do, good luck and have fun practicing!

[amature enthusiast]

thank you for your help. i know exactly what the lock consists of already and how it works, but i do not know what i need to pick one of these or how to copy a key for one of these. i would very much appreciate any help/suggestions you can give me. thank you
ps there is a great pic of the exact lock which i mean in the pick fu section, i just found it but there isnt much help there for it. thank you

[skold]

ok...the search feature is crap but use it, and with the key cutting...either buy a machine or don't try

[amature enthusiast]

thank you for your responses so far. i have researched this lock for several hours today and it appears to be the 8 pin-row version of the lock meaning that i dont believe my 3 years of experience have any chance against it. is there any other way i can beat this lock. this is the lock on my dorm room and i have the key so i can practise any ideas that any of you have, either way i pay for the lock this year so im not too concerned about damaging it. another interest i have (which i have never tried) is: does anybody know how i can take my key and copy it myself? i have tried many home-made things in the past few days and this topic very much interests me. i have found kits online to take moulds and such but i would like to try it myself and be creative first. (gives me that "i have created a masterpiece" feeling rather then that "ok ive followed the steps and surprise surprise, here it is feeling) any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you very much

marc