114 safe ventures pin and cam

[toomush2drink]

Just got back from a job where a 114 chubb needed opening after going through every single combination with the pick and taking several impressions it still wouldnt open. In the end it had to be drilled but a hole already existed from a previous locksmith so no problem there.
The problem was that all the levers were lifting together so it made picking impossible and also halfway through the job the customer pipes up i had a go at opening it from the inside (he had already gained access) and it turns it he had been forcing the bolt.
It turns out i had found the combination after about 6 tries but the situation made it impossible, sidpicks was with me and couldnt believ it either but there you go, one of those things.
A straight forward job turned into a long one but if you guys can learn from this too then great.
So if you have tried all combinations with absolutley no pins binding on the pick you know what it may be.

[Rockford]

I just wish customers would be up-front and tell you they have "had a go".

I recently had an ERA deadlock that wouldn't open, so proceeded to pick it with the RB Curtain pick. I wasn't getting any feedback from the levers at all, and it was if they were already raised , so tried moving the bolt in case it was stuck in the gates - still no joy. I was at the door for about 45 mins trying to get this open from both sides (wasn't a lockout), and eventually opted to take the bolt off with a grinder as there was a large gap between the frame and door. When I opened the lock up to have a look, the levers were glued together, and the bolt stuck in anti-picks. I asked the owner if they had tried to lubricate the lock, and they replied "we thought it may have frozen, so we sprayed it with antifreeze and oil - but it didn't work".

Bless them.

Rockford.....

[toomush2drink]

"bless em" i dont think so !!

Thing is this guy asked for a price beforehand and requested i didnt "cut the door". If only he had told the truth as it would have saved a whole load of wasted time and i would have drilled it through the existing hole/filler straight away and been done with it.He didnt even care about the lock as he had his own replacement he wanted fitted. Messers, you get them in every trade.
I made sure he realised how cheap he got the job for.

[oldlock]

As he did not give you all the info - I would have been sure and charged him for ALL the time I spent on the job ...

Paul

[sidpick]

operator error, I'd say
Ha Ha, only kidding even with a screwdriver behind the bolt stump this thing was hard, not a job for an excelent and expensive tool.
Live and learn if nothing binds its the lock. Write your codes down and if nothing happens try a little extra tension and a squirt of WD40 (after you take another plastecine reading!!) two of us could not have been wrong!!
Got there in the end

[toomush2drink]

I certainly have learnt that you never give a definate price over the phone only an estimate. I still think the bloke looked dodgy

[xlr8ed1]

i had a 115 today where the screws had come lose and cover come away from the case. hence the levers weren't tight and the curtain out of place.

it is things like this that you need to aware of when picking locks it is not all nice and proper like you may like. Does any body else knock hinges off doors or is it just me?

[Rockford]

I've took the hinges off a UPVC door before to open it (faulty lock - wouldn't draw back the latch), but never on a wooden door.

Rockford.....