High security muel/vak keys

by **jabial** » 17 Feb 2004 4:08

Well, I would like to know how secure they really are.

They are supposed to are as hard to open without key as Medeco (or even harder).

It's a pump lock, and the key is flat, with cuts on the side.

On this site they are told to be almost unpickable :
http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/LOCKPICKING/hiseclox.txt

Here is the main website :
http://www.serrures-muel.fr/

Unfortunately there is no english version.

by **jabial** » 20 Feb 2004 4:59

Nobody knows then...
Well, I begin to regret I dont speak german. The guys from lockpicking.org should know this, as there are some of those cylinders in germany. They often come with high-security doors.

by **Dosk3n** » 21 Feb 2004 5:50

Nope I actualy havnt seen them before but if you do find out id love to know more about them.

by **greyman** » 24 Mar 2005 11:07

Hi - I'm the guy who wrote the original document referenced at
http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/LOCKPI ... seclox.txt
(incidentally, my permission was not sought but whoever created this text version of the original postscript doc. But no hard feelings, it's all good publicity ;-)

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I think it's fair to say that the Muel lever lock is very hard to pick, especially the 10 lever version (I can't do it). This is not to say that bypass and more forceful methods can't be considered for this kind of a lock, but it all depends where you want to draw the line. The difficulty with picking is the presence of false notches on all the lever gates and on the bolt stump, as well as a really tough spring that has to be pushed in just right to get the levers to where the stump is. All I can say is that this is a really old design and they are still using it in France, which means it's more than just a fad.

by **Jimmie** » 25 Mar 2005 7:59

the 10 discs/levers MUEL lock is rather secure ... difficult to pick (even it's possible with the right equipment which is difficult to find and/or difficult to make ...)

the other MUEL lock with 8 discs with the smallest key are less secure and can be opened quickly by brute force

if you live in USA or in UK ... it is a good solution to have this kind of locks cause they are not known in the country you are ... the bad side is ... if you need some spare keys it will cost you a lot and if you have a working problem with the locks ..; not any "smith" around will know how to fix it

Jimmie