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Not so secure BS lock

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Not so secure BS lock

Postby Lukekjackson » 9 Sep 2005 17:32

I have just started trying to make a curtain pick using an old key as the base.

I got half way through removing the end of the key and stopped to go outside for a cig. As I was out the back of my house, I tried it in the lock on my door, an ERA BS lock.

I don't know the model and I haven't removed from the door it look inside yet but i was shocked and a little les than happy when the lock opened.

A picture of the key below.

http://tinypic.com/dloqxs.jpg
http://tinypic.com/dlor4g.jpg

Now am i right in thinking that their is no way on earth that this is right and it is likely that their is less than 5 levers been put in this lock. Are there any other reasons this may open.

By the way it opens from both sides

Suffice it to say I’ll be replacing this lock ASAP
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Postby acl » 9 Sep 2005 17:46

Luke, i had a chubb114 to open in a pissey old doorway inlovely ol luton the other day.i put my curtain breaker in the lock and bingo it opened.i was a bit gutted really as i love opening these things(sad i know) but hey it was open. Any ideas anyone??
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Postby pinky » 9 Sep 2005 18:01

it can only be 1 of 2 explanations, first is that all levers are almost in the gate to start and slightest tension opens it, though not likely, more likely and probable is that you have a worn curtain that when locking the door the curtain isnt fully throwing the bolt and is disengaging the bolt too soon, leaving the stump seated inside the gate still, so in effect even a screw driver will open the lock. its not a common problem but does happen from time to time, ive had this on the chubb 110 lock so its not just cheap makes that suffer this.
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Postby acl » 9 Sep 2005 18:06

When i said anyone i didnt really mean you mate i thought id leave it open for the less experienced guys.
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Postby pinky » 9 Sep 2005 18:19

sorry mate thought the dubonnet had clouded your knowledge !
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Postby Lukekjackson » 10 Sep 2005 5:36

Cheers pinky, that makes sense.

Only thing is, i was thinking i was reasonably safe due to it being quite unlikely someone would have a half ground down key to try in my door, now screw drivers are a bit more common, which is worrying.

But there again who in their right mind goes round trying them in peoples doors, (except the people who have read this)

Andy,

I thought i had by head around the way the locks work and the way they were picked, but now you've thrown this "curtain breaker" into the mix its all gone to pot. The name might be misleading me but if it does what it says, why would you want to use it. Surely you need the curtain intact to be used in the picking process.
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Postby EvoRed » 10 Sep 2005 8:04

Andy, what are you doing turning the curtain breaker in the unlock position anyway?!

Luke, have you opened up the lock to check there are actually any levers in there?! The curtain breaker is for Chubb locks where the curtain stops you reading the back of the levers. A bit of force and a little bit breaks off enabling the curtain to now turn fully into the back of the levers, allowing an impression.

I've also had this happen to me on a warrant but didn't take the lock out to check why...
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Postby acl » 10 Sep 2005 8:23

Shaun the reason i turn the curtain breaker to the unlock positon is that sometimes there are no levers in it or the stump is seated in the gate.Keep up mate you been on the ale again![/quote]
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Postby EvoRed » 10 Sep 2005 9:09

I'll probably never be lucky enough to get another that just opens by turning the curtain so don't usually even bother trying! Some guys have all the luck!

Ale? Who said that? Funnily enough, if you get any jobs over this way tonight (or this evening)...or tomorrow...don't be surprised if I'm in an incapable state to take them on. Although it has to be said I have been driven to late lockouts before in a far from sober state on more than one occasion! So unprofessional, I know!
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