Metal framed door locks

[bowlocks]

I've been called out a couple of times in the past week to metal doors which have the lock mechanisms inside the door. Now, I'm used to them having face plates which are removable giving access to the mech, however these doors only had holes where the hooks or bolts came out.

At one job the customer wanted new (screw in) cylinders. I figured I could drill a couple of small holes on the end of the door in line with the retaining grub screws. They said "no" and showed me a door which they insisted had had the cylinders changed. It did not have a hole in it apart from where the bolt came out, and you could no way reach the grub screws from there.

At another job (euro cylinder based) the customer was having difficulty retracting the bolt. The cam on the cylunder was ok, so I figured that the mech had worn. However, this door also had no hole other than where the hook came out. How do you remove the mechanism from the door ?

Is this some cynical ploy to get the whole door changed when the lock mech wears, or am I missing something really obvious ?

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The fore end of the door should be removable even if it is not that obvious.
Although with some sliding patio doors the lock will have to be slid out
the top or bottom of the door.

Look for a groove running the length of the door, it will be where the
fore end clips to the rest of the door and maybe under draught
excluder, a screw driver can be used to prize it apart.

Try putting a screw driver into the top of the door and levering the fore end
off.

Sorry, I'm not more helpful but it's not easy to explain things in words
and a picture of the doors would be helpful send them by pm if you want.

How did you get the euro out?

[bowlocks]

Sorry, been away from computers.

I'm referring to metal shop doors, not patio doors. There is definately no pulling off of the forend nor of sliding out the lock. No clips either, as the metal forend is actually the same physical bit of metal as the sides of the door. These were glass panelled shop front doors with adams rite type mechanisms in them.

Has no-one else come across doors like this ?

[toomush2drink]

Maybe you have to deglaze it to access the lock ?

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Is there a strip of draught excluder running the length of the door?

[acl]

Any chance of a pic of this ,there has to be a way to access the lock .
Andy

[bowlocks]

There is no strip.

Not looking formward to having to deglaze it !

I'll take a picture next time one comes up.