Which Mortice Locks?

by **EvoRed** » 15 Feb 2006 10:07

Just wondering which BS mortice locks people out there choose to fresh fit on domestic premises.

Also, are people still fitting the old BS locks they have in stock or fitting the new ones yet with the 20mm throw?

by **toomush2drink** » 15 Feb 2006 12:21

I mainly fit assec and 114's as fresh fit depending on what the customer wants to spend but carry most of the others too so sometimes any of the others could get fitted depending on stock levels.Lets face it you dont really want to fit anything you struggle to open either :wink:

by **SteveW** » 15 Feb 2006 15:32

Ive got to say i normally suggest 114's to the customer, but i find they often chringe at the price.

So i have voted for the union 2134, i think the standerd of union locks is more consistent, i havnt been trading long and ive already had a faulty 114 and a faulty ERA. Ive fixed those problems myself but the union's have always been fine, and i tend to fit more of them.

Besides there an easier pick if the customer looses their keys

by **cred** » 15 Feb 2006 16:43

assec for me as there are a lot of eras round my way and the assec seem to be a similar size to the era range
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by **Rockford** » 15 Feb 2006 17:36

Mostly Assec and ERA with a few Unions chucked in. Very rare to find a Chubb on the door.

by **Tattoo Guy** » 15 Feb 2006 17:44

I mainly fit era's and securefast as both are pretty cheap and I tend to find a lot of them in my area although I did have to open a chubb 3K74 on a garage once (best lock at the property house locks were cr#p)

by **quacking_duck** » 15 Feb 2006 21:38

I've been trading for less than a year myself, but have fitted more ERA Profits and Invincibles than anything else as a general rule in the way of BS locks. Customers have usually requested the cheapest over the best quality lock.

I've got a few Chubb 114E/3K74E's in for the high end market and some of the new ERAs among others as the budget locks. For the budget range though, I may go for buying more of the Union 2134E/2234E in the near future for a couple of pound dearer per lock compared to the new ERA, as I'm still in the process of studying the new ERA mechanisms in case of being called back for a lost keys job, although it's high on my priority list.

by **jdeacon** » 16 Feb 2006 4:07

Round here in fairly central London, I get almost no fresh fits. Just about everything is lost or stolen keys, or troublesome tenants, requiring a change. So if I haven't re-levered, I replace like for like where I can and use my dwindling stocks of pre-E locks.

If an upgrade is called for, I'll be guided by the minimum amount of chiselling. So many flat doors are poor quality and already horribly weakened by poor mortices.

If it is a fresh fit, and being a lazy sod, I was starting to choose locks with rounded fore-ends as that's what the morticer leaves. However, as yet I can't open the Fortress, so ERAs are off the list for the moment and Union 2134E / Yale 560E are my low-end and Chubb 3G114E my high-end.

by **haribo** » 16 Feb 2006 4:33

I bought a bulk load of Merchant BS locks a while ago both deadbolt and sash so I offer these as the cheaper alternative and the a 114 as the higher end. But to the punter they all look the same so 99% of the time they go cheaper. Lots of era in my area so carry alot of these too as they cater for the replacement jobs.

by **al25027** » 16 Feb 2006 16:23

I'm not 100% sure, but i think that any new installations should require(or it's recommended)a BS3621(2004) dedbolt/sash to be fitted. I suppose it might be down to what the insurance companies requirements are. I've started to fit the ERA fortress for the cheap option and 114E's if the customer requires better quality.

by **capt.dunc** » 26 Feb 2006 0:28

i've ticked other, if it's a refit it'll be which ever lock in stock is the best fit to the existing mortice, by width and back set and fore end screw points

by **EvoRed** » 26 Feb 2006 9:16

Yes Cap, that's why I said fresh fit. You are obviously going to choose a replacement that requires as little work as possible.

Not surprised to see ERA and Asec/Legge leading the way...

by **xlr8ed1** » 15 Mar 2006 3:37

i will fit a 3g114 80mm sc as my most popular new fit - i find the lock sells it self once you run through the all the features it has.

otherwise get this i instal Yale M550 grey case 5 lever sash locks. I got a crap load of them cheap (like 2 pound each - 5 dollars for me to buy) exactly the same in every way except color as Union red case non bs sash lock code yl something

But this is not the main reason i am posting - in an earlier post the comment was made that customers cringe at the price of 3g114.

i feel i am getting robbed from my chubb lock supplier cos he charges me - 86 dollars to buy - i sell them for 125 dollars plus labour, surely he is having me on

that equates to
32 pounds for me to buy - 46 pounds for me to sell plus labour
is this comparable to uk prices?

by **prim** » 15 Mar 2006 4:03

Mainly use Era as a new fit and a replacement as very little chipping out required.

Iâ€™m looking for a cheap BS 2004 as an upgrade my supplier has stopped stocking the Fortress as he says they are rubbish

by **SteveW** » 16 Mar 2006 18:58

Prim.

The next step up in price for the BS 2004 locks is the Union 2134E

But why has your supplier stopped supplying them??

Ive been fitting/swapping/ upgrading loads of fortress's in the last few weeks. Ive actually had customers asking for them. The fortress may have had a few initial manufacturing problems but all that i have bought recently have been fine.

Try Duffells they have them on special offer :wink: