question on mortice locks please

by **gazzaull25** » 9 Mar 2006 18:16

hi was just wondering if there was any videos on picking mortice locks i have a few already from this site which is great by the way many thanks to every1 :lol:

i understand the principle of picking mortice locks and work with then evryday but i am ashamed to say i work for a locksmiths that as been going for over ten years now and are driller killers :cry:

only been there for over a year and i have learned more from here about picking locks then there. :lol:

They drill everything even cylinders dont even try picking! :shock:

To get back to mortice locks its the bs range i was intrested in especially the era range thats all we do seen a great video from a guy on this site (a brummy accent i think) no offence but was wondering if there is a video picking these locks with a perspex cover see we can see what is going on please
many thanks
gary ps please be nice first major post :lol:

by **illusion** » 9 Mar 2006 18:27

Hmmm.. Quicklocks did those videos I believe... I think they were taken down due to abuse, but it'd be a good idea to PM him to make sure.

Well you have two choices:

1: Buy a decent curtain pick... yes the legendary Chris Belcher comes to mind... This will simplify matters slightly.

2: Use one L wire to turn the curtain, and another to lift the levers, and work your arse off getting it to work...

3: Spend a stack of money of decoders/Pin-and-Cams/impressioning tools.

Hmm.... For ERA, the Profit, and the Invincible come to mind... The Profit has a 7G keyway; the Invincible has a 5G keyway. The 5G is the most commonly used BTW.

Have you managed to pick simple lever locks?

by **gazzaull25** » 9 Mar 2006 18:34

hi
yes simple lever lock 2 lever and 3 lever etc no problem but bs 5 lever etc a different ball game especilly with the curtain :roll:

thanks for the fast reply ps the company i work for wont pay for any tools just a drill and screw drivers but i want more then that so it will be me paying so i better get saving :lol:

thanks

by **pinky** » 9 Mar 2006 18:35

if you have mastered simple locks, then the ERA is about the simplest BS lock to defeat, it just takes a little understanding and alot of practice.

by **illusion** » 9 Mar 2006 18:38

This is what you're looking at seeing inside the Invincible:

I don't know where the photos of my Profit went, unfortunately. The anti pick notches on them should give you an idea regarding what you may be up against.

Hope this helps.

by **gazzaull25** » 9 Mar 2006 18:46

thanks for the pics and advise i think i will have to see about going on a days course or somthing similar to get shown by sombody who knows what they are doing, i got told it was`nt possable to be done but i know it is thanks to you guys would be great to have a play about with the right tools and ask questions while ur doing the training
thanks for the replys :lol:

by **Shrub** » 9 Mar 2006 18:49

The firm you work for are dragging you down and living in the dark ages, they need to wake up and move into the present.

Show them the Safe Ventures website, they will sh*t their pants.

by **pinky** » 9 Mar 2006 18:50

if you pop along to the MLA show, i will be demonstrating these there and showing people how to use the cb pick on them on the duffels stand.

era are a 2 minute pick every time once practiced . save you paying out for training on these locks.

by **gazzaull25** » 9 Mar 2006 18:54

lol ive shown some of the videos to the locksmiths (so called) at my place and they could`nt belive it and they have been doing it for about 6 years

the boss just thinks of the money on the locks he makes not the right way for it to be done :evil:

by **kwc** » 9 Mar 2006 19:16

Hi all,
just learning the mortice locks and would like to know what the terms 5 and 7G refer to.
Thanks
Kev

by **illusion** » 9 Mar 2006 19:30

kwc wrote:Hi all,
just learning the mortice locks and would like to know what the terms 5 and 7G refer to.
Thanks
Kev

G stands for Gauge.
The numbers are an indication of the curtain size - 7G is faily small, whilst 5G is larger.

by **SteveW** » 9 Mar 2006 20:13

Everone is telling me that Pinky is the guy to see for learning to pick BS mortice locks. Ive been learning the CB curtain picks for a few months now and it does take dedication and practice. But as a tool i cant fault it.

Ive had sucess with it on the bench and at the door but it is hard going and i am looking for some training with it myself. (Pinky answer your pm's please).... He's gonna edit that isnt he...

My next mission is P&C's and decoders perticularly for the 3G114's since they are rife in my area so im planing on doing a bit of shoping at Telford :wink:

Whatever you decide to do picks or decoders etc. there is nothing more satisfying that geting one of these locks open

Cheers
Steve

by **chrisjc33** » 13 Mar 2006 7:53

SteveW wrote:My next mission is P&C's and decoders perticularly for the 3G114's since they are rife in my area so im planing on doing a bit of shoping at Telford

I got the 3g114 decoder because every other lock was a 114 i have not come across one since then(not happy)great tool.

by **Unlock-IT** » 13 Mar 2006 15:28

Gaz,

You will do the best thing by going to a first class trainer (ie Chris B, or Pinky) if you can, to learn bs mortice lock picking you can spend a lot of money and learn very little from a lot of people who are advertising, so be careful who you choose. Even when you learn the basics of picking a bs mortice lock it will take dedication and many hours of practice to become proficiant in picking these locks. I will say when you begin to overcome these locks it is very satisfying and the practice becomes worth while. If you decide to take this road then your employers will become green with envy when you give them their drill back (because you don't need it) and the hired help can do something they haven't got a clue about. The none destructive entry is the only way to go (it is well worth the equipment cost and training cost), as there is nothing more impressive to the customer than opening the door without any damage.
Good Luck.

Anthony

by **SteveW** » 13 Mar 2006 21:34

If i may go slightly off topic for a moment...

Unlock-it:

there is nothing more impressive to the customer than opening the door without any damage.

This is so true. But what it reminds me of is a saying i heard many times during some of my training 'picking is a waste of time, its a dead art and the customers are not going to be happy when you turn up and pick there lock open in a few minuits'.. or words to that effect.

Now i will be honest and admit that this comes from my early training with the MLA. Please dont get me wrong the training i received in bench work, fitting, repair, key cutting and a hundred other things was absolutly first rate, but that saying remains and its wrong.

When i have gained entry for a customer they have never been anything but delighted that i have opened their door without any damage, especially if they have had previous experiance of a locksmith who's favorite pick come from the power tools isle in B&Q.

Practise and study and be selective with your training. Then practise and then practice some more... and then when you think you have it sorted do some more practice

Sorry mild rant over :wink:

Cheers
Steve

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