Abloy PROTEC! the UNPICKABLE

[xlr8ed1]

I recently had some training on this new product from abloy. The patent on this is meant to last for the next 21 years which means it will be around for a long time yet and is now abloys top line product. Interestingly it can reuse old disk lock cly by replacing the core which saves buying a whole new line of locks.

It is been proven to be UNPICKABLE at present. It is impossible to rotate the discs individually due to a new locking bar. So get your drills out boys.
if anyone wants some more info on this lock pm me

[kehveli]

More info:
http://www.chez.com/montmartre/abloy-protec.htm

[Mad Mick]

Looks like the side bars may be controlled by the dimples...

[kehveli]

Mick,

which dimples are you talking about?

[Chucklz]

On the side of the key, near the bow. Makes sense, as the locking bar needs to be released eventually to turn the key.

[toomush2drink]

Correct me if i am wrong but couldnt you just snap it instead of drilling it, not in the spirit of this forum maybe but a solution for a working locksmith.I wont go into details in this open section but i think you will know what i mean after all its a euro profile type shape.Sometimes things get so complicated that the obvious can be missed.

Just my pennies worth

toomush

[kehveli]

Thanks Chucklz. Now I think I understand.
If the two return bars may be controlled, the whole DBS system is uselss.

And for here's a video from abloy that has some info and 3d view of the cylinder in it:
http://www.abloy.com.au/videos/Abloy_Protec.wmv

EDIT: Here's another video
http://www.lighthouseuk.net/html/channels/newmedia/3danimation/spotlight.asp

[CitySpider]

It hasn't been proven to be unpickable, it just hasn't been picked yet. Important distinction. And I'd like more information, but how come you don't just post it here?

[Chucklz]

Even if the sidebar controls were released, you still would have to deal with the 11 disc abloy. I think that something along the lines of an abloy decoder, with a modified piece to "unlock" the sidebar would work.

[kehveli]

Yes and these disks in ABLOY Protec have a lot of false notches AND the figure of the keyway is bizarre. The whole upper side of the disk is filled with false notches. It is hard to explain, so i show you a picture.

[raimundo]

did I see the warding that fits the side of the key being inserted into the keyhole in the discs as the animation reassembled the cylinder? I like this lock. when I win the lottery and get rich, I'm gonna have these on my house.

[Chucklz]

Raimundo, you know if you had these on your house, they wouldnt last more than a month or two, because you would spend all your time developing a decoder for them.

[randmguy]

The dimples in the key are there to unlock the cylinder. They were designed to prevent the lock from turning before the key was fully inserted.

The sidebar on an Abloy is more like the fence on a combo lock...Once the discs have all been moved with the correct key the cuts line up with the sidebar...Turning the key further forces the sidebar down into the cuts and this allows the cylinder to turn.

And no, *&%$#@ it, I can't pick one either...I've been trying since 2001 when we got the first of our new Diskock Pro cylinders for vending machines and coinboxes.

Out of curiousity kehveli, is that a new disk pictured? With the exception of the keyway it looks just like the Disklock Pro disks in my kit.

[kehveli]

The dimples in the key are there to unlock the cylinder. They were designed to prevent the lock from turning before the key was fully inserted.

Yes, but at least ABLOY Exec has only one dimple. This one has two. Is the other dimple somehow connected to the DBS system.

And can you tell me how this lock detects the dimples etc. if you know randmguy because I don't have a Exec/Disklock Pro/Protec cylinder to disassemble.

Out of curiousity kehveli, is that a new disk pictured? With the exception of the keyway it looks just like the Disklock Pro disks in my kit.

It is a ABLOY Protec disk. I took the image from one of the videos which I have linked to. Watch them if you want more info about this ABLOY Protec.

[Prodigy]

The dimples are a form of key control when a master keying is involved. technically you can have the exact same combination cut on a number of keys but if they do not have the dimple it will not open.

The protech uses heights as well as angles, I have managed to make many decoders in my time for my trade and this has been in OZ for a little while. This my friends is going to be a to work around.

I have my ideas already on how to, it will be a decoder for sure then make up a key. but i need to do some more testing when i get time.