European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.
by kastle » 28 Jun 2005 16:59
Hi all,
Kastle here again, hope you are all ok, crap weather, eh? Well, i 'spose it's nice to be cooler for a change!
As i said yesterday, i am planning to shell out for a course in a few months to try and get into 'locksmithing', and i know with alot of the courses, they will come with the tools in the price, but i want to buy a reasonably priced basic set of picks and tension wrenches for most of the common locks, so i can get practising a.s.a.p. Does anyone know where i can get a set like this, or maybe one of you experienced guys' is getting rid of an old set that i could buy?
Any suggestions or help would be really appreciated!
Thanks all, and be good.
kastle 
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by Chrispy » 28 Jun 2005 18:15
http://www.devonlocks.com
It's a UK site, one of many. Have a look anyway.
Some things may be pick proof, but everything can be bypassed....
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by Zammo » 29 Jun 2005 5:16
Just make sure you get the slimline set. Unlike me who bought the standard ones, doh! 
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by Shrub » 29 Jun 2005 5:26
Zammo,
Pm me a pic of your picks in a lock showing me why they dont fit,
Even the non european picks can open our locks if you do it right.
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by Zammo » 30 Jun 2005 5:10
I havn't tried to pick a pin tumbler with them yet, I am having trouble with a lever lock. I'll see if I can get a picture to you.
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by toomush2drink » 30 Jun 2005 10:38
I havn't tried to pick a pin tumbler with them yet, I am having trouble with a lever lock. I'll see if I can get a picture to you.
The picks devonlocks sells are only for cylinder locks. If you can get a lever lock open with them i would buy a lottery ticket as you must be lucky devil 
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by Shrub » 30 Jun 2005 10:51
 Weve found your problem,
As toomush says, the picks you have are for cylinder locks (yales etc) and you are trying to pick a lever lock,
Read the MIT guide and you will be enlightened, 
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by Zammo » 2 Jul 2005 3:42
I have read the Mit guide (apart from the Apendix) and it doesn't even mention lever locks.
Can someone please advise me on where to purchase the required pick, PM me if it breaks any terms of service to post this info.
BTW I have been also trying to pick this lock with the tension wrench from the set and a very small allen key.
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by toomush2drink » 2 Jul 2005 5:04
Zammo take a good look around the euro section and look at the lever lock threads to understand how to pick these locks. It lso depends what type of lever lock you have, if its a bs3621 (british standards insurance requirements) lock you are going to struggle. Plenty of pictures have been posted along with terminology. If you dont understand this basic stuff im afraid your really going to struggle. I could link you to various threads but i dont agree with spoon feeding information as it doesnt encourage helping yourself to learn.
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by Shrub » 2 Jul 2005 7:15
I was meaning to look at the mit giude to see what the picks you do have are for,
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by Zammo » 2 Jul 2005 11:46
toomush2drink wrote:Zammo take a good look around the euro section and look at the lever lock threads to understand how to pick these locks. It lso depends what type of lever lock you have, if its a bs3621 (british standards insurance requirements) lock you are going to struggle. Plenty of pictures have been posted along with terminology. If you dont understand this basic stuff im afraid your really going to struggle. I could link you to various threads but i dont agree with spoon feeding information as it doesnt encourage helping yourself to learn.
Am I asking to be spoon fed? All I asked was a link to somewhere that sells the pick I require (which I have managed to find by myself). I have managed to work out basically what is required to pick the type of lock I have.
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by Shrub » 2 Jul 2005 12:30
Zammo,
Well done,
I think what toomush was getting at was that we didnt know what lock you had only that it was a lever lock, there are that many differant lever locks that some places will not stock particular tools for particular locks, if we knew what lock it was you have we could have given you instructions of what to do and where to get a pick for it, because there are that many differant types of lock and that many differant types of pick toomush advised searching and reading as that is the only way of you deciding what best to do (other than you posting a picture for us) we all dont have every subject and every post as links somewhere so when someone asks for a link we go to the search and read through the couple of pages that come up then copy the link then have to come back to the thread then post the link when all the asker needed to do was just search, this is classed as spoon feeding but no malicious intent is meant,
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by Zammo » 2 Jul 2005 13:56
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by quicklocks » 2 Jul 2005 15:04
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by acl » 2 Jul 2005 19:42
Zammo,its saturday night and as usual im whacked so 2 of your pics are giving me a headache but i think Quick maybe right after looking at the 3rd.
Forgive me for asking but youre not THE zammo are you? i know this sounds a daft question but i know for a fact that Zammo (grange hill) is/was working at a locksmiths in London somewhere.
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