5 lever mortis with barrel curtain

[pinky]

The union BS is a good lock, but an easier pick with any curtain pick, though is under 2 mins with decoder.

[toomush2drink]

Smile read this thread and get a bit of a reality check http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=4708
Im trying not to sound too hard but if i were you i would forget trading as a locksmith before you seriously come unstuck. If you havent the money for training that means you havent the money for the right tools and above all stock. Also what about insurance ? I f your lacking in skill all the more reason to have this as your more likely to _ something up. Im sorry if i sound negative but i do find it insulting that your trading as a locksmith with no formal training and its these sorts of things that are killing it for those of us that have invested heavily in this trade. To date ive probably spent over 15k and still need to psend about 5k to be in a good trading position, hence my gripes.

[bonez]

yeah good post 2mush

this guy's taking the p**s trading locksmith my a*s*

i spent out on training and i am still buying kit
and putting all the hours i can in on the bench as well as working
full time!

this guys making a mockery of us all.

[toomush2drink]

To be fair on the guy he has probably been sold the dream like many others have, it is the rogue trainers that need sorting out as they are actively harming the trade and lining their own pocket at others expense. I feel smile is more naive than trying to make us look silly. Lets guide him in the right direction as we have been guided.

[bonez]

ok 2mush

will give him a break, just takes the biscuit (trading locksmith)
we all have stuff to learn i just can't see how this guy can say
this, i'm still a novice my self but with 20 years as a call out
glazier the simalarities with the lock trade are not to different
for me. as in dealing with customers in circumstances of security
or break ins. but to turn up with a drill and no knowledge of the
job in question is a bit 2mush sorry for the pun.

i'm with you all the way get the training get the tools
get the experience,but this guys just not ready.

your's sincerly.

[toomush2drink]

If hes willing to learn about picking or nde on mortice locks then thats great which is what his original post was about but i do see how it can wind others up.Ive seen a few start up near me but most have disappeared also so its not all bad. If we can get to stop the cowboy training then we may be in with a chance but unless we all stick together it wont happen. If you not a member already maybe you should try the institue of certified locksmiths, it was started by people on this forum to improve the uk locksmith trade and im a member along with quite a few others from this forum.

[bonez]

have looked at this already bud.

but just don't think i'm ready yet this is what i mean i am
trying to do things the right way,putting the hours in on the bench
reading up, geting experience the whole learning curve to have a
new string to the bow, but to be as proffesional as i can.

just got me back up was all trading locksmith it does'nt seem right!

apologies all round

bonez