Ingersol ?

by **ju_** » 27 Dec 2005 5:03

Shrub wrote:I like them, great thanks, how about pulling the levers out and showing us those i dont come across these so i am genuinely interested

Just for you Shrub :wink:

hope this picture give you enough detail.
They are the first two levers in the lock.

Shrub - what they would look like in the cylinder, there are no numbers on the levers to identify size (or key cut)

oldlock - It is master keyed that is why the numbers on the key are blanked out

by **oldlock** » 27 Dec 2005 5:11

What is the letter between the primary key number ? ie 123 ? 456

A, S, N, or W ?

Paul

by **skold** » 27 Dec 2005 5:11

Ingersoll has always made me think how they work.

From the pictures it seems there is lever packs on both top and bottom, and when the key is turned (it reminds me of a wafer lock key) the levers are aligned and sidebar(s) or similar device drops into the cuts alowing the cylinder to turn.

Personally i have no clue, but if anyone could correct my most likely inaccurate guess, i would be very happy.

by **ju_** » 27 Dec 2005 5:41

skold wrote:Ingersoll has always made me think how they work.

From the pictures it seems there is lever packs on both top and bottom, and when the key is turned (it reminds me of a wafer lock key) the levers are aligned and sidebar(s) or similar device drops into the cuts alowing the cylinder to turn.

Personally i have no clue, but if anyone could correct my most likely inaccurate guess, i would be very happy.

Skold almost there :wink:

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The key does not turn the key stays still and the whole cylinder turns via turning preasure from the key.

The levers work exactly like a wafer lock, aligning themselves. This then allows the "side bar or locking bar" to drop into the aligned levers.

This "locking bar", when the levers are aligned, moves to a different position enabling the whole cylinder to turn.

The lock point is in the brass cylinder housing. There is a raised circular piece of brass(?) at the bottom of the housing (on the left), see picture below. Looks like a flat head screw but isn't.

by **skold** » 27 Dec 2005 5:49

I see, so to sum it up:

Once the key is inserted the side levers are pushed outwards, revealing the cuts that the locking bar drops into. The cylinder is then turned and the lock is unlocked.

I would take a guess and say there is false cuts and that to make the sidebar catch the levers when set would be very difficult to achieve?

by **oldlock** » 27 Dec 2005 5:50

Early locks have no false notching, later locks do.

Paul

by **skold** » 27 Dec 2005 5:53

I see. What do they cost over in the uk? I may have to pick one up when i am there next.

by **ju_** » 27 Dec 2005 5:56

skold wrote:I see, so to sum it up:

Once the key is inserted the side levers are pushed outwards, revealing the cuts that the locking bar drops into. The cylinder is then turned and the lock is unlocked.

I would take a guess and say there is false cuts and that to make the sidebar catch the levers when set would be very difficult to achieve?

Skold - no false cuts on the first two levers but that is not to say there are any on the other levers and as I will probably put them back in the wrong place I am not taking them all out. :wink:

by **ju_** » 27 Dec 2005 5:58

oldlock wrote:What is the letter between the primary key number ? ie 123 ? 456

A, S, N, or W ?

Paul

Sorry oldlock I am not quoting any numbers or letters from the key at this time

by **oldlock** » 27 Dec 2005 6:00

The letter will id the lock as being factory master keyed - or not. That is all.

by **skold** » 27 Dec 2005 6:00

Yes. The more i look at this lock the more i want, Also does Falle have a decoder for these?

I would imagine so.

Is it not possible to say they could be picked with a dual sided lifter device and a 2-pronged tensioner?

by **ju_** » 27 Dec 2005 6:02

skold wrote:I see. What do they cost over in the uk? I may have to pick one up when i am there next.

From ingersoll for the cylinder only about Â£80

Doing a bit of google(ing)

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/acatalog/Ingersoll_Deadbolt_Locks.html

The whole thing from this site Â£78

by **skold** » 27 Dec 2005 6:02

ju_ wrote:
oldlock wrote:What is the letter between the primary key number ? ie 123 ? 456

A, S, N, or W ?

Paul

Sorry oldlock I am not quoting any numbers or letters from the key at this time

I do not understand the hostility. What are the chances that someone will find the lock and open it? It will do no more harm than showing a picture of the key.

by **ju_** » 27 Dec 2005 6:03

oldlock wrote:The letter will id the lock as being factory master keyed - or not. That is all.

It IS master keyed, I know where this lock comes from.

by **skold** » 27 Dec 2005 6:05

ju_ wrote:
oldlock wrote:The letter will id the lock as being factory master keyed - or not. That is all.

It IS master keyed, I know where this lock comes from.

I think he knows that but he is saying IT detemines WHETHER the lock is FACTORY master keyed rather than by locksmith.

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