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Advice for securing new house

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Postby EvoRed » 1 May 2006 6:02

Have a word with Floater on here. He's from your neck of the woods.
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Postby Jlo » 1 May 2006 8:17

Thanks EvoRed,

I have just PM'd him.

Kind Regards

Jlo
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good locks

Postby raimundo » 1 May 2006 10:49

If you spend a lot of money on a good lock, get a few extra copies of the key. put one where only you know its at, near the front door, like for instance, buried in the earth five inches deep near the second fencepost away from all traffic. this way, you will have a chance when you lose your keys, but do not use a casual hide like a flower pot, doormat, etc. these defeat the good lock. it is still possible to hide a key near your door, or even perhaps somewhere in the neighborhood. You do not want to be observed hiding it, and if observed retrieving it, during an emergency, do not put it back in the same place. Another good hide is a nail with a head that is filed to go into the keyring hole only one way, so that it has to be turned from the hangdown postition to remove it, this will keep it from being dislodged by squirls or whatever, it should be in an up under and behind place that will normally never be disturbed or discovered, Never tell anyone where you have this key, if you need to let someone use a key, it must be a different copy. Do not use magnetic key boxes. they are called 'hide a key' but they should be called 'lose a key'. if your key is beneath ground, be aware to put and take it without being observed, look like your doing something else when you hide or retrieve it, do not go directly from recovering the key to the door and then back to the hide. do a little acting. When I say be aware of observers, assume they are in windows or other places where you cannot see them, and while all seemingly alone, still put on an act to baffle the unseen observer.
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Postby quicklocks » 1 May 2006 11:09

my father used to keep a key hanging on fishing line down a drain by our front door it was a brass yale key and it would be just under the water line but as soon as you lifted the grid, up it poped :D
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Postby Jlo » 20 May 2006 12:50

Hi All,

Well finally moved house. Still waiting for broad band to be up and running so writing this from a wireless hotspot!

Just to update what I ended up doing in the house.

Like all things once we moved in realised quite a lot of DIY needs doing etc etc which unfortunatly put the Banham to bed as £150 to £200 was to much to spend on a lock.

1) Front and back door are wooden coated in metal covering. I replaced both Era mortice locks with new Era BS 5 lever locks (Think they may be profit but bought from B&Q) and as the olds locks were Era they just easly replaced. (Anyone know how to tell whether Profit, Invincible?) They are definiatly not the new Fortress locks. Could not find those.

2) Back door has rack bolts top and bottom so with Era sash lock (BS 5621 1998) am pretty happy. WOuld have prefered Chubb 114s but meant some carpentry work.

3) Patio door is a weak and only has one locking point so untill I have new doors fitted we have fitted patio door locks top and bottom.

4) Windows are double glazed wooden windows where the handle is locking- may be could do with extra window locks.

5) Front door as well as having BS 5 lever mortice lock has a very cheap non deadlocking or anticard device union rim lock. I ended up having this replaced with the new Yale BS3621 2004 rim lock (The one with the armoued door cylinder) I had a locksmith fit this due to the metal door making things a bit complicated. I know it can be picked/possibly bumped but along a BS 5 lever mortice lock feel happy.

I really wanted the Chubb BS lock with AVA cylinder- could get the lock for £60 but no one would fit it- and locksmith would charge £100 for lock plus £50 for fitting. Did consider the new ingersoll london line rim lock but again looking at about £160 fitted. The yale was supplied and fitted for £80 which I felt was very reasonable.

I am sure the easiest way in is forcing a window or smashing through the patio door.

Also had alarm fitted.

Thanks for all your advice though.

Cheers

Jlo
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Postby illusion » 20 May 2006 12:58

The Invincible has a larger gauge than the Profit.

The Profit is 7G, whilst the Invinvible is 5G. Both these locks have the dimples beside the keyway, and the olive gold color, but the Invincible has a visibly bigger curtain.
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Postby Jlo » 20 May 2006 13:26

Many thanks Illusion.

Kind Regards

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Postby EvoRed » 20 May 2006 13:48

If I remember rightly the Invincible also has a larger bolt.

Was the Yale one of these - http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/aca ... latch.html - a PBS1/2? If so, you sure did get a good deal for £80 fitted.
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Postby andy6r » 21 May 2006 9:30

don't spend money on locks
get good insurance and make sure locks are up to spec
if you spend a million on locks you just slow them down
and increase their curiosity
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Postby Jlo » 21 May 2006 11:05

Yes EvoRed it was the PB1 or what ever and its is kite marked bs3621 2004 so has the larger bolt.

I thought it was a good deal as well.

Cheers

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