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I've read the newbie stuff, but now I have questions..

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Postby p1ckf1sh » 16 Aug 2006 15:31

ZiRo wrote:p1ckf1sh, It was a general "What might come in handy?" question. But cutting a lock in half to aid repinning may be handy. What kind of equipment will that require? It'd be touch and go hacking that in half with just a dremel?


I'd even say if you are quick on the hacksaw, the Dremel will lose that competition. I was surprised as well when I did it the first time, have never really worked with metal before. But we are talking about brass here. And this stuff really cuts well with a hacksaw.

Position your hacksaw over the threaded hole in the middle, where the mounting screw goes in. Cut until you open the "hole" and then you can usually twist and wiggle the rest of the little metal bridge. The coupling (the black cam-like thing) will come lose as it has no support, but if you are in it for picking you can safely put those things aside for the time being.

Well, and regarding your more general question regarding tooling... I have picked up picking as a recreative hobby in February/March and I like to try stuff and tinker with things, so I was buying tools regularly. Stuff that might come in handy:

Hacksaw and blades
Small screwdrivers, i.e. for prying off rings etc.
A small propane torch (these pen-like things that run on regular lighter butane/propane)
Dremel (cutting discs, sanding wheels and barrels, polishing buffs, cone shaped grinding bit (other shapes OK, but I like that one best), some diamond tipped tips, a diamond disc, maybe a tungsten carbide bit (sold for tiling, but rips through metal like nothing), etc. etc.
Caliper, preferably a cheap digital one, they run at 15 to 20$
Files (bought a set of 6 dirt-cheap, certainly low quality, but many different shapes, then bought some of better quality of those shapes I used most often)
Tweezers
Small containers, like contact lens containers for storing small stuff like spare pins etc.
Some paint thinner or acetone or kerosene, whatever you can get, good for cleaning old locks
Grinder
Sanding paper of various grains

I also love the Micro-Maglite for repinning. I use it as a dowel when repinning a cylinder that is acessible from the rear (i.e. cut euro cyl). The thing I love is that it almost exactly fits the plug bore and you can turn it on and see exactly where the chamber is and what you are doing.

I have certainly forgotten a lot here. Some of the stuff is for modifying locks, some is for making picksand other tools, etc. Buy what you need item after item, according to the projects you having underway at the moment...
Due to financial limitations the light at the end of tunnel has been turned off until further notice.
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Postby ZiRo » 17 Aug 2006 10:28

I got my picks and locks today.

The euro locks are poor quality and as far as I can tell - totally unbranded.

I repinned one side a few times and practiced db's guide. I have trouble "identifying" pins. e.g. I can't work out which pin i'm ontop of - except the first one visually of course.

I tried with only first and third pins and I could manage that fine, but first, second and third become a mesh and I can't aim for each individually without ending up pushing 2 or more.

The wards make manuvering the pick difficult.

The lock quality is so poor that it is extremely easy to rake a full 5 set open in 2 rakes if you've got your pressures right.

My office outbuildings's eurolock has defeated me, but it's branded "HB", at least 4 pins are setting by raking, however my novice conclusion is that there are security pins in it..
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Postby Shrub » 17 Aug 2006 10:59

Please please for the love of all things holy, do not pick locks you rely on and do not pick locks you dont own,

Stick with your practice locks and stay well clear of your office building locks,

Any breakin or in case of fire people trapped and you are the one who will be blamed and thats if you dont damge it 'practiceing' on it,
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Postby ZiRo » 17 Aug 2006 11:06

It is a small room out from my house, that I use to house my office.

There are two doors and I'm not exactly shoving my whole set into one lock :\
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Postby ZiRo » 18 Aug 2006 10:15

I bought ERA and Yale cylinders today. Aswell as a Master padlock.

I've repinned the ERA and I'm training.
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Postby illusion » 18 Aug 2006 10:25

Funny, I've never seen Master sold in the UK, but have however seen Squire that look pretty much identical.

Good luck with the ERA - I find you get lots of feedback from them. :)

The Yale will be good when you manage standard pins and want to try some spool pins. :wink:
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Postby ZiRo » 18 Aug 2006 10:34

Thanks for your cylinder repinning guide - it's brill.

The ERA has been great actually. I couldn't open it by raking with the full 5 pins in it, so I actually felt a challenge. 3 Pins seems to be my picking limit, although those 3 pins fall fairly quickly, however I can't manage 4 for the life of me.
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Postby illusion » 18 Aug 2006 10:41

I'm glad you like it. :)

Well keep doing 3 pins mate, and eventualy you'll get more of a feel for the lock. Nobody manages to pick locks easily, and pretty much everybody gets stuck on 3 or 4 pins for a while. The trick is just to keep doing it untill you manage to succeed.

We're here for your questions, but you just need to sit down and practice.

If the 3rd pin is big, and the 4th pin is small you will struggle to lift the 4th pin without touching the 3rd pin. :wink:

Hope this helps - haven't said this in ages. :P
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Postby ZiRo » 18 Aug 2006 11:07

I think i've identified what my mistake was.

I've been pushing a long pin too far down (not really got used to being careful with the pins, i've only just mastered being able to move one at a time)

So the bottom pin is going past the sheer line and following the driver back into its hole.
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Postby Shrub » 18 Aug 2006 11:42

You can buy Master locks in the UK,

Yes pushing your pin too far is called over setting, its a common problem with new people to the sport,
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Postby ZiRo » 18 Aug 2006 13:40

Yup, thanks for confirming it as a common problem.

I've practised 3 pins for a few hours now. I changed the pins around ~6-7 times and picked each set about 3 times each, until I knew how to pick it every time.

I've just picked my first 4 pin combination and am about to swap the pins around.
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Postby Shrub » 18 Aug 2006 17:19

Your doing great,
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Postby ZiRo » 18 Aug 2006 17:35

Are ERA locks particularly weak?

Does repinning locks affect your ability to pick the lock? Because theres been 1 or 2 occasions where I've picked the ERA really easily... Perhaps luck?

I've picked 4 pins quite a few times, I'm going to try 5 pins tommorow, after i've done a couple of 5 min mixes i'm going to set the pins back to how the lock was keyed and pick it, that will be my finale for this lock...
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Postby SteveW » 18 Aug 2006 17:55

Illusion.. I carry alot of master padlocks on the van, If you want some to have a crack at just drop me a line :wink:
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Postby Shrub » 18 Aug 2006 19:44

SteveW wrote:Illusion.. I carry alot of master padlocks on the van, If you want some to have a crack at just drop me a line :wink:


But whether you get them or not :roll: :lol:

Just messing Steve i know your busy :wink:
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