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European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Postby LockNewbie21 » 19 Jul 2007 21:32

tools to many think of. some i post other not.. just to poor to get a patent, even poorer to actualyl get anythign comercially made :lol:

ehh well. I still open anythin stuf in front of me :wink:
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Postby lockie123 » 20 Jul 2007 1:59

here's a word of !!warning!! :?
dont post any new pick or tool ideas on here unless you have a patent for it. :?
because some unscrupilus member will copy it and sell it, that is unless you dont mind having someone else make a mint out off your ideas :evil:
why sould tool mackers invest in devlopment when they can acn come here and get it for free ??

i know alot want to show off their tools ect but be very carful.
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Postby Shrub » 20 Jul 2007 5:55

I think thats why you will find no-one bothered posting, i certainly wouldnt answer anyway,
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Postby Jaakko » 20 Jul 2007 7:20

If the info about the tool is announced as public domain and for not-commercial use, then it is forbidden to manufacture and sell it.
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Postby th3anvil » 30 Jul 2007 22:26

In the U.S., an inventor can release / publish information about his product into the public domain and can still file a patent claim up to 1 year later.
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Postby Shrub » 31 Jul 2007 11:54

It all means nothing though, if the Asians want to copy somthing then they will do and patent law has no effect/threat on them,
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Postby absynthe » 5 Aug 2007 14:00

I am probably hurting my chances of getting into the advanced discussion group but I wanted to make a comment.

At the beginning of this post I saw a mod quickly say no discussion of bypass. Now I am very new to this forum so maybe there is a lot of trouble with people getting carried away and the mod just wanted to cut it off early.

However, isn't this entire forum about bypass? I understand that destructive bypass is a topic saved for advanced topics. Maybe bypass is a word that is mostly used for "destructive" bypass. After looking through many posts, I often see people, mods or otherwise, jump in and tell people they can't talk about that. Sometimes.. it seemed like a very benign discussion to begin with and that it actually wasn't justified.

My main concern is that I feel a bit of a "big brother" feeling just getting into this forum. A number of people here are bypassing locks for fun. Perhaps there are others who are doing it for bad reasons. I understand the desire to stop this type of discussion when it could lead to bad things. But one of my firsts posts was about the inner workings of the EVVA 3KS and the whole time I was worried about breaking a rule by talking about it and wondering if I need to wait 3-6 months to ask the question.

Anyway.. I apologize to the mod if they were just trying to stop things early. I realize that this forum has potentially had big problems with people discussing the wrong things in the past. It is just that as a newcomer.. and someone who won't be allowed into the advanced discussion for a while.. I feel real hesitance in freely discussing questions I have because I don't know if it breaks a rule. There is an element of shadiness related to lock picking and this is highlighted when I see people being told not to discuss things quite regularly.
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Postby net-rom » 5 Aug 2007 14:36

to absynthe

it is not normal picking/racking (some time called bypassing) there is the problem . . . . but some time there is ways to open a lock "fast" maybe because the lock is made too cheap or with a defect ! this is also called bypass !
If it isn't broken . . . fix it until it is !
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Postby Jaakko » 5 Aug 2007 14:40

absynthe wrote:At the beginning of this post I saw a mod quickly say no discussion of bypass. Now I am very new to this forum so maybe there is a lot of trouble with people getting carried away and the mod just wanted to cut it off early.

That is the main reason. And as you will learn quick, you will soon start to see situations that sound harmless but you will know how those turn out if they are not controlled.
However, isn't this entire forum about bypass?

Bypass as a term in here means that the whole locking mechanism is somehow circumvented. Picking basically is imitating a working key pin b pin, but bypass doesn't. There has been discussion if for example shimming is bypass (it is) and thus should it be disclosed rom the open forums, but as it is so widely known and done, it is not considered advanced. It still is bypass method and as such it has nothing to do with sport lockpicking.
After looking through many posts, I often see people, mods or otherwise, jump in and tell people they can't talk about that. Sometimes.. it seemed like a very benign discussion to begin with and that it actually wasn't justified.

There is always good reasons to do that. As I said, members who have been here long enough will recognize the situations that will escalate into advanced topics. Thats why it is easier to stop it before it even begins.
My main concern is that I feel a bit of a "big brother" feeling just getting into this forum.

Getting? There is and "always" has been and hopely will be. We need some control as there is those sneaky little brothers trying to empty lockers and such.
A number of people here are bypassing locks for fun. Perhaps there are others who are doing it for bad reasons.

Exactly.
But one of my firsts posts was about the inner workings of the EVVA 3KS and the whole time I was worried about breaking a rule by talking about it and wondering if I need to wait 3-6 months to ask the question.

If you are unsure if something is or is not advanced, contact a site moderator or administrator and ask. You will get answer usually in day or two and if you get green light, do the topic. Until then you wait.
I realize that this forum has potentially had big problems with people discussing the wrong things in the past.

You bet! And not only in the past, it is merely an every day problem. Especially when a newcomer makes a tpic at first about some shady sounding activity or situation. That is the reason why you see those "call a locksmith" and "this is advanced" posts.
I feel real hesitance in freely discussing questions I have because I don't know if it breaks a rule.

As I said, contact a site admin or mod and ask about it. That way you can be very sure if something is appropriate or not. As this is a hobby, we don't have to get the info right now, we can wait till tomorrow. Usually if someone needs help quick, the answer is "call a locksmith".
There is an element of shadiness related to lock picking and this is highlighted when I see people being told not to discuss things quite regularly.

The reason to say so is because of juveniles and pranksters. Some things are better left uncovered, as teenagers usually have something other use for the info provided/given than sports picking.

When I first started here and realised that I can't talk about Abloy nearly at all, I felt a little disappointed, as almost all locks in here are Abloys. But I got normal pin-tumblers, started picking, progressed from that and today I have advanced access and can talk what I want ;)
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Postby absynthe » 5 Aug 2007 19:31

Thank you for the response jaakko. I could see how things could get out of hand quickly here. And my apologies to Chucklz as I guess bypassing is a word that more strongly fits getting around the lock all together. Having used the word bypass in the first line of the post probably would be a flag.
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Postby Shrub » 6 Aug 2007 6:57

Dont like it dont stay simple as that, theres a set of rules you need to read and follow one of them being not to question a mod,

I simply can not stand noobs that come here and try to change things before they can even pick a kwikset,

Before you post having a go again maybe have a thought about the poor mods who have to clean this shite up each and every day for no thanks or payment (i get some from respected members now and again but dont ask for it),
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Postby absynthe » 6 Aug 2007 8:45

Sorry there buddy!

In reference to having never picked a kwikset, I have picked plenty. I've also picked schlage and yales and random others. I know this is nothing to you but you have to start somewhere. The thread you are referring to was simply saying that one particular kwikset seemed difficult. I'm sure it wouldn't have been to you but weren't you crappy once in the past? At least at sometime you were learning too.
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Postby Shrub » 6 Aug 2007 8:52

Nah i was born with a pick in my hand :P j/k

Youve misread again to some extent but i can see why,

I was generaliseing not name calling, we get a lot of noobs who cant even pick a kwikset trying to tell us how to run the site,

Youve come on a thread notjhign to do with you and made comment nothign to do with the thread hence my reply,

You arent hurting your chances of advanced access by the way, at least not yet :P

When i post i generlise for anyone reading its a responce not always directed at the OP, in this case at any others wanting to have a go, if im bollocking you, you know about it :wink:

Everyone starts somewhere for sure but the differance is between listening and learning apposed to not listening nor learning but actiung like you already know it and that is somthign that upsets a lot of us, i ewasnt meaning you are one of these people except for the fact you did have a bit of a go and that needed a reply,

Stick around but read up a lot, that way you get the feel of the site and how we like to post and what we dont like to read,

Its all good 8)
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Postby absynthe » 6 Aug 2007 9:33

Sweet Dawg

Anyway.. I will leave this thread alone since it does have nothing to do with this topic.

I see how I misread your response here as well as the other.

I'm a little pissy because it is Monday morning over here and I don't want to be at work. :cry:
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Postby Shrub » 6 Aug 2007 12:01

Where is over here?

Im not a monday person but then again im not a tuesday, wednesday, thursday or friday person either, i dont really like saturdays and sundays but i guess they have to be there so i can charge more money 8)
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