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European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

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Postby mh » 3 Jan 2008 17:14

greyman wrote:
Beyond wrote:Heh, no kidding. Last Protec I saw on there ran $187 USD.

I actually installed some door jambs on this millionaires house yesterday and every door was outfitted with Mul-T-Locks, which aren't cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

And when I say every door, I mean EVERY DOOR. Bathroom doors, garage doors, etc. This guy had security in mind. It was really a sight to see.


Every door :shock: That's ridiculous - I mean, does the guy lock his bathroom door every night? I can just see him fumbling around in the dark at 2am, trying to find the key so he can take a leak... :wink:

Also, better not lose the master key!


I guess once money is not important, some lock sellers come up with this type of system...

I remember staying in a hostel (I believe it was owned by a church) and they had DOM ix locks on each door. I believe DOM ix 5 HT or 10 HT if that existed.
The entrance doors to the bathrooms actually were masterkeyed so all the room keys could operate them (although there was no need to lock these doors whatsoever),
and the change keys to these bathroom doors had only 2 or 3 dimples / the locks only had 2 or 3 pin stacks. The locks could be turned with any key inserted only half way and the key could be removed then at any angle.
That was indeed ridiculous...

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Postby NKT » 6 Jan 2008 15:25

Went to a house with a 114 on every single door, both internal and external. You've got to be a bit paranoid to want to deadlock every door to get from the kitchen to the bathroom, and back!
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Postby NickBristol » 6 Jan 2008 15:41

One of my (former) clients was both paranoid and lazy which is an odd combination. Had Bramah deadlocks on every room upstairs and down but was too lazy to lock them... and kept leaving outer doors wide open when she went out. She was very convincing and very demanding too, took me almost to the end of the job to pick up enough holes in her stories to realise she was a sandwich short of a picnic.
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Postby muskratt » 6 Jan 2008 16:22

JK_the_CJer wrote:3) Corbin Emhart (this is a current project of mine, has anyone heard of these being picked?)
i have heard of them being picked. the challenge is once its picked the pins need to be held in place. if not it will mess up the function of the lock.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 6 Jan 2008 21:18

Protec's by means of the common non goverment folk are pick proof and bump proof.

You.. well I have never seen a mortice on a garage. Protecs are your best bet, there good in the elements, pickproof.. in a sence no tools exsitsts to public or lockies.

Multilocks.. there a joke, and even more with the new jap and chineese tools coming out, some you don't have to mod.

Medeco's can be picked (Fast) and bumped.

Protecs the lock you want.
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Postby caffn8me » 28 Jan 2008 23:26

Slightly off topic but there is a reason where someone may wish to have locks on internal doors including bathrooms. Owners of larger houses may wish to have parties or events and ensure that guests (invited and otherwise) can only access certain parts of the house. I did quite a bit of work in one such house last year because at a previous event the owner had decided to go to bed and discovered a couple already in his bed!
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Postby NickBristol » 29 Jan 2008 16:26

I guess he didn't think his luck was in then? lol

Must admit that reason for fitting locks everywhere didn't occur to me. However, some people are just a bit nutty...
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Postby Beyond » 29 Jan 2008 17:00

Whats the difference between the Disclock and the Protec?
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Postby mh » 30 Jan 2008 0:42

Beyond wrote:Whats the difference between the Disclock and the Protec?


The Protec has little notches in the bottom of the discs where the return bars block if the lock is tensioned via one of the 0 discs.
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Postby bluestar » 30 Jan 2008 4:42

Additionally, the Protec has a different key cutting (on two radii) which sould make unauthorized copying harder. There ist a "curtain" in the lock partially blocking access to the discs. Oh, and The Protec has a Disc Controller, which the Disklock Por has, but the Disklock hasn't. And, of course, the Protec patent lasts longer.
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Postby Beyond » 30 Jan 2008 18:54

Excellent, thanks for the answers guys.

We've only got one dealer in my area that sells both and I wanted to make sure I wasn't purchasing the same thing.
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