Which is the most secure euro cylinder.

[djprivatus]

Guys abloy send the stuff to the company and they have to make up the locks and keys and cards which makes it even more of a flaw. after my meeting thats what they said. They dont know how someone is getting past the lock and they dont wish to believe it could be someone within there company. they gave me a new lock... we will see.

[toomush2drink]

What you dont say is what type of lock the abloy is attached to ? Is it a night latch or deadlock with a euro ?
I would have thought its been bypassed not picked.

[raimundo]

hey toomush is back.
I would also say that a bypass or some other trick may be used.

It would seem that the original poster has a burglar dedicated to screwing with him. this is likely a neighbor, pseudofriend, significant other or relative. What is taken would be a good clue.

he mentions that he has a safe that kept some of his things safe. he should put all his spare keys in there, as well as the key copy cards.

Whoever it is, they seem to know when hes out, could it be a landlord or caretaker the landlord has given keys to?

We had a locked room mystery a few years ago here, someone with a real problem or just paranoia was claiming that someone was getting in past a medeco on the door. once again, the first thought is who has a key?
and who could get that key from them. Does a person of trust have a person of bad morals close to them, living with them? When you let others have a key, you must trust them to secure it from people who should not have access, regardless of that persons trust/distrust score

[raimundo]

the discovery channel is running the "it takes a thief" thing again, I saw some of the shows from season 1 rerun, and found some flaws in what they say they are depicting. (do you believe that matt johnson approaches a strangers house with a cameraman and just charms or buys thier cooperation, my guess is that the suckers are friends or relatives of people who actually work for the show, such as the various producers.

In any case, a recent show, a suburban house with two single mother parents splitting the upstairs and downstairs, the show when to the usual plan, but when they were doing the security refit, one of the interesting devises that they used, was some kind of small pinhole digital camera that had its own motion detector. This was placed where it would not likely be seen except that the television show has cased the place for anyone who might try.

This little black pinlhole digital camera with the motion sensor trip was interesting, its battery issues would be less problematic, in some other short term uses, such as certain drug dealing sites I know of. I wonder if the manufacturer has one that gets audio as well.

Anyone know the name or seller of this devise?

[djprivatus]

Hi, thank you for the advice, the abloy lock is on a 3 way locking deadbolt door locks top, middle, bottom, also have a mt5 lock further up the door. now added video motion security. the police were informed and the lock company gave me new locks which i never used. i purchased Abloy protect same locks from an english source.

below is details of my door.

deadlock chubb with mt5 lock

main lock integrated into the door abloy bought from non scottish/retailer

alarm system with dialer and 3 new sensors and triggers

[kitbearuk]

I suppose that if You were really determined to stop those thiefing beggers You could Really pimp Your doors up with security like I have, But some people see it as over the top but when You've been robbed 6 times before, you'd considder going over the top too.

For example, I have on My front door:

a Chubb 3R35 (Restricted Keyway)
Chubb 4L67
1965 Chubb Detector Mortice lock
Trimec Door release
Trimec Solinoid Bolt on F/U
London Bar
Hinge Bolts
Act 2000
Mag card Reader
PIN Keypad for card owner verification

No one should have to resort to these lengths but i' refuse to be a victim ever again taking into account that the police would take forever to arrive if ever, I've taken matters into My own hands as prevention is the cure to burglary.

I don't trust pin cylinders anymore and to be truthful, I never have, There are too many flaws in these cylinders to be considdered secure.

An Alarm System also helps in the prevention, Even doing as little as purchasing an ADT bellbox from flea-bay can boost Your security 10 fold as a majority of ADT's systems are connected to a monitoring station, An intruder would think twice before burgling Your house.

If purchasing a lock from someone, Please think of buying from abroad such as america or europe for Your high security cylinders, Well, A burglar is Highly Unlikely to travel such a long distance just to burgle Your house and to travel that distance with Your goods is a risk he's unwilling to take plus it's too much trouble to bother.

One or two locks are not enough today, Yes it a pain to secure Your door every time You want to go out but do You really want to return home to an empty house?, It's much easier in the longrun.

Mortice locks are one of the best choices You could make providing YOU choose a really good one such as chubbs detainer range.

Make it as difficult as possible for the burglar, Very few burglars will chose to pick or bypass your locks, but for the few, You must remove the chance before it happens .

Upgrade now to save money for the future plus you'll have fun doing it.

There are loads of Great locks out there such as Abloy, Kaba, M&C, Dom and Evva, just pick 2 or 3 and Sleep soundly everyone

[Kwick]

nobody mentionned EVVA MCS cylinders ?

i think they are really hard (if not impossible) to picklock due to magnetic mecanism


http://www.evva.com/at/technology/mcs/en/

[mh]

They are great, although very expensive -
the picture you included is from another EVVA lock, though.

[Bump]

What a load of paranoid rubbish!

Thieves accomplished enough to pick locks don't go for low yield domestic properties. These are usually the domain of scumbags looking to make quick money for the next fix by sneaking in through an open window/door. The favourite technique round my way is to smash their way in through a french window with something heavy found in the garden, grab what they can and scarper.

Decent locks are a deterrrent, monitored alarm systems are great, unmonitored ones are a pain in the arse! If you can't afford the former then the telephone dialler at £49 from Screwfix is a good option, next best thing is a dummy box with flashing lights; or a dog. CCTV (or at least a notice saying there's one) neighbourhood watch schemes, prickly plants, PIR lighting, all of these are cheaper and better options.

The only thing that an array of multiple locks on a door says is that "there are valuable things in my house!" Get a good safe and fix it down if you need to keep valuables in the property, treat your valuables with marking dye such as smartwater, take photographs of high value items.

Defend your property in layers, don't pin all your security on one type of device.

Above all if they persist in making your life miserable install a butane burner at all entrances rigged to fry the balls off any unauthorised intruders.

[Kwick]

best lock is the CHEAPER one.

when a thief will see you put such pityful lock, he will think that there is really NOTHING inside to steal


no, seriously, the best security lock is Whinkhaus BLUE (just watched Barry's vid)

[bugmenot101]

nobody mentionned EVVA MCS cylinders ?

i think they are really <censored> hard (if not impossible) to picklock due to magnetic mecanism


http://www.evva.com/at/technology/mcs/en/

Yeh they are pretty nice, they just got them installed on my dads workplace. And i tell ya, that key looks sick. I can take a picture of it if you want?

[mhole]

What a load of paranoid rubbish!

Amen.

[pantelwsGTP]

why dont u just put 2-3 door slides behind the door, to close them from the inside and the heck with it.

[NKT]

While Bump raises some good points, his answer isn't very helpful in the main. There are hundreds of thousands of people who can't get those security measures implemented.

At the end of the day, one good solid door is worth 5 that are sort of good! I get into dozens of houses a week, and the most trouble are the terraced houses with a single entry/exit and a non-slip latch with a good mortice on it. A mortice that is locked, of course!

Alarms, dogs, neighbours, etc. are all a great idea, but if someone walks up and bumps your lock in 20 seconds, they aren't going to do a lot of good in the real world.

[cuda00]

Im pretty suprised no one as mentioned the Assa 701. me and a locksmith where discussing what we find to be the best locks in terms of simplicity and agreed that the 701 cylinder with its evil pins are more or less number 1