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Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Re: Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

Postby MBI » 7 Oct 2013 8:58

rainwf wrote:I undertand that there are machines out there that will create a blank from scratch. How do I locate a locksmith that has one? I live in North Carolina. Ideally, the locksmith would be within driving distance, because I certainly do not wish to risk sending my one remaining key through the postal service.

Honestly that's not a common piece of equipment for locksmiths to own. Restricted keyways are made that way for a reason, to control distibution of blanks so people can't make unauthorized copies if your keys if you loan them to someone. A locksmith who deals with any particular restricted keyway will have access to the appropriate blanks without needing one of those machines. Many restricted blanks are patent protected, and making and selling a blank for a restricted keyway that still has a valid patent opens up a locksmith to a lawsuit by the manufacturer. And manufacturers tend to vigorously protect their key patents in court.

Common restricted keyways which are out-of-patent often have generic blanks available for them. Uncommon ones, it's just not worth the money for a key blank manufacturer to tool up for an obscure blank. There just isn't enough demand, which is another reason why most locksmiths won't spend the $2500-$12,000 needed to get a purpose-built machine for making custom blanks. You could do the same thing on a mill, which some locksmiths have, but it's time consuming and will need specially shaped, tiny bits, which may be another reason why you haven't had much luck finding anyone to create one.

However, if no one here can help you locate a compatible blank you may have other options. Can you post a pic of the lock itself? Is this the ignition or a door? Depending on what kind of lock it is, you might consider just replacing the lock itself. It could be cheaper than buying that $80 blank. Even if it's a little bit more money, depending what you choose you might end up with a much better and more secure lock. One which will be easier for you to get more spare keys made in the future.
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Re: Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

Postby rainwf » 7 Oct 2013 13:42

Thanks gentlemen for the fast response. I understand about the expense of the equipment to make a blank. I doubt this is a restricted key. I think it is just made in China or Taiwan and perhaps not available elsewhere. The lock is not a simple affair. It is built into the door. Having said that, I guess it would be possible to change the cylinder to something more commonly available. It is a stainless cylinder. It seems like it would be harder to match than the key.

I will be back at the boat in a couple of days and take the requested pictures and post them.
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Re: Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

Postby mh » 7 Oct 2013 15:35

As a side note, the "EasyEntrie" key milling system http://keymax.de/easyentrie is not that uncommon in Europe. The machine is not cheap, but they also offer a subsidized model where the locksmith can get the machine cheaper but has to buy more expensive "blanks".

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Re: Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

Postby rainwf » 9 Oct 2013 7:53

The picture links are below. The blade length is 8mm. The blade width is 7mm. The thickness is 2mm.

http://imgur.com/f6Su8OB
http://imgur.com/RMXzfhE
http://imgur.com/F0YrWQn
http://imgur.com/R7QemJ4

Does anybody know a locksmith that has one of the "easyentrie" machines is the US?
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Re: Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

Postby Evan » 10 Oct 2013 17:19

@rainwf:

Don't take this the wrong way but:

Either pay the $80 for the blank through the connection you have found OR change all the effected locks...

Stop asking questions which professional locksmiths will find ethically dubious...

That is your answer -- asking the same question over and over in different ways trying to save $80 frickin' dollars when you supposedly own a fancy enough yacht that has its own special key blanks makes me wonder if you are legit with this story or bat crap insane cheapskate...

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Re: Ocean Alexander Yacht Keys

Postby mseifert » 10 Oct 2013 21:10

Evan wrote:@rainwf:

Don't take this the wrong way but:

Either pay the $80 for the blank through the connection you have found OR change all the effected locks...

Stop asking questions which professional locksmiths will find ethically dubious...

That is your answer -- asking the same question over and over in different ways trying to save $80 frickin' dollars when you supposedly own a fancy enough yacht that has its own special key blanks makes me wonder if you are legit with this story or bat crap insane cheapskate...

~~ Evan


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When I finally leave this world.. Will someone please tell my wife what I have REALLY spent on locks ...
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