Would you stake your reputation on a Cisa 28550?

[Zanx]

A friend of mine has spent the last 4 years and tens of thousands of pounds devloping a motorcycle security chain that cannot be cropped or frozen/sledged. Up to now they have been using the Squire SS65C and would like to expand the range a little by using the Cisa 28550. I know you guys are pro's and I'm not really interested in picking issues unless they are very fast and easily done by apes, but are there any nightmare stories about this lock that might suggest it could fail under a violent attack such as slide hammers, saws, croppers, drilling, freezing etc?

If there are issues that are best discussed out of the public domain, a Private Message would be just smashing

[Zanx]

Did I post in the wrong section? Someone must have an opinion of CISA padlocks?

[Omikron]

Did I post in the wrong section? Someone must have an opinion of CISA padlocks?

My own opinion is that...I've never heard of them. Of course this probably has something to do with the fact that I'm on the other side of the pond.

Perhaps some of you UK lockies can help out this fellow? Illusion?

[skold]

Cisa is another one of those ingersoll-rand companies.

As far as i know cisa locks are a sort of dimple lock. I have never picked a cisa but dimple locks aren't the most secure locks in the world, but they look more secure than the ordinary yale padlock or whatever is used in that country of yours.

[Zanx]

Cisa is another one of those ingersoll-rand companies.

As far as i know cisa locks are a sort of dimple lock. I have never picked a cisa but dimple locks aren't the most secure locks in the world, but they look more secure than the ordinary yale padlock or whatever is used in that country of yours.

Thanks. I wasn't entirely sure of the demographic of this forum, I take it it's mainly US based then. I think asking you guys about violent lock attacks is like asking a giraffe what a lion tastes like

Thanks anyway, much appreciated

[panalman]

A friend of mine has spent the last 4 years and tens of thousands of pounds devloping a motorcycle security chain that cannot be cropped or frozen/sledged. Up to now they have been using the Squire SS65C and would like to expand the range a little by using the Cisa 28550. I know you guys are pro's and I'm not really interested in picking issues unless they are very fast and easily done by apes, but are there any nightmare stories about this lock that might suggest it could fail under a violent attack such as slide hammers, saws, croppers, drilling, freezing etc?

If there are issues that are best discussed out of the public domain, a Private Message would be just smashing

There high end padlocks look pretty good check there website http://www.cisa.co.uk/ I have never had any dealings with there padlocks but I am sure someone has as I said the high end stuff looks very good. Perhaps some of the guys in Europe can help as I am sure the Cisa brand is Manufactured in Italy.
Good luck with the product.

[Zanx]

A friend of mine has spent the last 4 years and tens of thousands of pounds devloping a motorcycle security chain that cannot be cropped or frozen/sledged. Up to now they have been using the Squire SS65C and would like to expand the range a little by using the Cisa 28550. I know you guys are pro's and I'm not really interested in picking issues unless they are very fast and easily done by apes, but are there any nightmare stories about this lock that might suggest it could fail under a violent attack such as slide hammers, saws, croppers, drilling, freezing etc?

If there are issues that are best discussed out of the public domain, a Private Message would be just smashing

There high end padlocks look pretty good check there website http://www.cisa.co.uk/ I have never had any dealings with there padlocks but I am sure someone has as I said the high end stuff looks very good. Perhaps some of the guys in Europe can help as I am sure the Cisa brand is Manufactured in Italy.
Good luck with the product.

Cheers

It's the bottom padlock on this PDF. I think it's the best choice for the particular application. http://www.cisa.co.uk/padlocks%20-%20steel%20Lim.pdf

Thanks for your input. Their product is exceptional and is already creating waves in the world of cheap tat motorcycle security.

[panalman]

It's the bottom padlock on this PDF. I think it's the best choice for the particular application. http://www.cisa.co.uk/padlocks%20-%20steel%20Lim.pdf

Thanks for your input. Their product is exceptional and is already creating waves in the world of cheap tat motorcycle security.[/quote]

I think for added security I would opt for the locks that use the code card system ie RS3, Astral or the SP
This would eliminate unauthorised duplication of the keys as it’s a sad fact that the theft of high powered motor bikes and cars are in most cases closer to home if you get my meaning.
I know of two people who lost there super bikes in this way it took a lot of proving but the truth emerged in both cases the thieves were so called friends. Who simply managed to get a set of keys cut and waited for the right opportunity to arise.
Just a thought.

[Al]

Just look for any CEN5 or CEN6 rated padlock that suits your application and budget. The rating means it has been tested, certifed secure to a high degree and will be accepted by insurance companies.

[Zanx]

Just look for any CEN5 or CEN6 rated padlock that suits your application and budget. The rating means it has been tested, certifed secure to a high degree and will be accepted by insurance companies.

Al, thanks. Hopefully it will be at least CEN5, the Squire in CEN6 and probably overkill for the context in which it will be used. I think they are looking into the CEN rating at the moment.

Panalman, I find that story shocking. That's a deviation of vehicle theft I've never heard of. I think the main thing my friend is after is to get people using the best chain/lock on the market, i.e. his. I have personally chopped through 10 or so Sold Secure and Thatcham approved chains with bolt croppers in less than 30 seconds, even the Squire SC4 went in 63 secs. SEN is the only thing I'd take notice of any more, the UK test organisations are a joke.