Mul t lock profile cylinders 40/45's

by **m3ssn** » 19 Mar 2006 11:45

Sorry to perhaps be lame on my first post but I would really be grateful for a little advice?

After having new UPVC doors and windows fitted to my home & hearing "horror" stories of fitters copying keys to homes that they have fitted I went to my locksmith and after a chat purchased a pair of Mul-t-lock profile cylinders to replace the standard ones. I also have 3 various padlocks. (BIG MUL-T-LOCK FAN) but I am concerned as I have become a Court Bailiff & seen a locksmith in action opening these cylinders with ease using a long black "bar" that fits over the cylinder and breaks it. I hear that all cylinders have this weakness from the standard ones supplied to high quality Mul-t-lock ones. How can one overcome this Security Issue and protect my home? Also are Mul-t-lock any good in the eyes of you professionals out there?

Thanks in advance.

Carl M3SSN
UK

by **n2oah** » 19 Mar 2006 12:14

There are cylinders which are hardened to prevent snapping. The best measure against this is mounting the cylinder flush to the area around it, so a snapper will not fit over they cylinder.

by **Shrub** » 19 Mar 2006 14:50

There are snap to secure cylinders available which when snapped break in a differant place due to weakening cuts on the lock, this leaves half the lock in place and still locked.

Ps, nice to see you on site, ive just bought some padlocks off you on ebay

by **chrisjc33** » 19 Mar 2006 15:19

n2oah wrote:There are cylinders which are hardened to prevent snapping. The best measure against this is mounting the cylinder flush to the area around it, so a snapper will not fit over they cylinder.

what the scum have started doing is cutting above and below the cylinder and removing that peace of handle from around cylinder,so leaving about 15mm for snapping

by **n2oah** » 19 Mar 2006 15:24

chrisjc33 wrote:
n2oah wrote:There are cylinders which are hardened to prevent snapping. The best measure against this is mounting the cylinder flush to the area around it, so a snapper will not fit over they cylinder.

what the scum have started doing is cutting above and below the cylinder and removing that peace of handle from around cylinder,so leaving about 15mm for snapping

Perhaps you could mount it even deeper in the door? You could also just buy a snap-resistant cylinder and mount it flush.

by **Shrub** » 19 Mar 2006 15:27

I have come up with a way around the snap to secure cylinders but as its not widely known i would just go for one of those.

by **n2oah** » 19 Mar 2006 15:30

Just don't buy euro cylinders!

by **Jlo** » 19 Mar 2006 18:33

Is there any guard that can be bought for UPVC doors to reinforce the handle from being ripped off to allow cylinder snapping?

I know if you buy a BS3621 euro cylinder dead lock for wooden doors they alway come with a secuirty rose to prevent snapping.

Don't know about upvc doors though?

Cheers

Jlo

PS This thread should be moved to European lock section really.

by **SteveW** » 19 Mar 2006 20:20

Squire are going to start floging this thing soon its called the 'Enhancer'

It screws into the cylinder and then you refit the handles etc. over the top.

im sure i posted this befor somewhere

Cheers
Steve

by **Chucklz** » 19 Mar 2006 20:25

Does the "enhancer" screw into the door at all? If not, It seems you could still snap the cylinder, but with a different approach.

by **Shrub** » 19 Mar 2006 20:39

Exactally my concern, i guess it will remain to be seen whether they click on to it but my guess is they will, the solution seems worse than the problem.

by **SteveW** » 19 Mar 2006 20:44

Not as far as i know, and yes your right i rekon it could still be snaped. I think it would still cause alot of problems if you didnt know it was there.

Its what that MLA guy was yakin on about in the papers a few weeks ago.

by **The Pindropper** » 20 Mar 2006 11:21

I agree that cylinder will probably still be 'snappable' but the snapper would still have to remove the handles

by **illusion** » 20 Mar 2006 11:31

The Pindropper wrote:I agree that cylinder will probably still be 'snappable' but the snapper would still have to remove the handles

The words "cold chisel" come to mind...

Whack, and the handle is gone... it's like Cillit Bang...

by **toomush2drink** » 20 Mar 2006 15:23

What we need are handles with some anti sawing protection built in like the rollers in a bs mortice lock bolt.This would slow them right down and time is something that deters burglars.Just glueing a piece of hardplate may even do the job or a couple of steel rods, anything that would dull the cutting blade.

Mul t lock profile cylinders 40/45's

Mul t lock profile cylinders 40/45's

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