Squire 4 lever practice lock

by **2hammers** » 27 Mar 2006 12:40

I just thought I would share my latest project with you all.

I got the idea from a locksmiths tools site where they cost Â£40ish, a
lot expensive in my opinion so I made my own.

My padlock pick does work on this lock, but I was really guessing what lever I was manipulating, now all has become clear and I can see exactly what is going on.

Oh and it only took me an hour!

http://i1.tinypic.com/sdphk4.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/sdphy0.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/sdpi7l.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/sdpit0.jpg

P.S. sorry about the picture quality.

by **illusion** » 27 Mar 2006 12:45

Good idea - it would be cool to see the Cruiser, or Battleship done this way.

Nice work.

Fastest time picked?

by **2hammers** » 27 Mar 2006 12:52

Illusion,

The first one I opened took ages about 5 mins roughly, but now it's no more than 2 mins depending on how old and dirty they are.

by **EvoRed** » 27 Mar 2006 12:54

These can be picked in about a minute.

by **illusion** » 27 Mar 2006 12:58

Nice one!

It's cool to do the same thing on mortice lever locks.

by **2hammers** » 27 Mar 2006 14:08

That is my next project mate as I have just made some 'L' wires
from some bike spokes.

Don't know if Ihave the right sizes but I suppose trial and error will
tell me. Cheers

by **ju_** » 28 Mar 2006 5:48

2hammers wrote:That is my next project mate as I have just made some 'L' wires
from some bike spokes.

Don't know if Ihave the right sizes but I suppose trial and error will
tell me. Cheers

Aha! Now I don't have to take mine appart....

2hammers any chance of measuring the lever thickness for me? Please, in mm.

Hoping to create a 2in1 lever pick for these locks

(By the way if you have a key for this lock, measure the key ward for your "L" length)

by **2hammers** » 29 Mar 2006 9:31

ju_

If you mean the squire padlock they are 1.5 mm thick.

I don't have a mortice lever lock yet but I'm going to get a

couple this weekend.

by **ju_** » 3 Apr 2006 5:49

2hammers wrote:ju_

If you mean the squire padlock they are 1.5 mm thick.

I don't have a mortice lever lock yet but I'm going to get a

couple this weekend.

Yes I did mean the squire. Thankyou for the info.

by **horsefeathers** » 5 Apr 2006 7:59

I know they are handmade and look a bit rough - but they work a treat and once inserted in the lock result in a ten second opening.

lever pick wire is modified from one of my wire picks, and two allen keys made the bolt throwers (one heavy duty for those tough rusty little blighters)

regards

wayne

by **2hammers** » 7 Apr 2006 13:52

Very nice Wayne. Thats another project for me, I never
thought about allen keys nice one.

by **Lukekjackson** » 18 Apr 2006 8:15

Good Pics, I didn’t realise those locks were that simple inside.

While walking to work a while ago I saw a few shops, which were using these locks to secure their roller shutters, and after seeing this thread it made me think about the level of security they were offering.

Could someone tell me on the locks you have how many lever heights do there seem to be? I had a look at the squire website and found this data sheet

http://www.squirelocks.co.uk/html/speci ... engtab.htm

But how can a 4 lever lock have only 12 key variations, surley even with two different levers it would be 16.

And if it only has 12 key variations what the hell sort of lock is that?

by **Shrub** » 18 Apr 2006 8:21

You wouldnt have all number 1's or all number 2's etc so thats the 4 missing combos.

With 12 combos there must be 3 lever heights.

by **Keyring** » 18 Apr 2006 8:33

Odd though. The picture above looks like there are 4 distinct lever heights. And there's 4 levers. Even with only 3 heights, thats 81 minus the silly combos. Way more than 12.

I'd guess they just like to make a small range of keys. It doesn't make it easier or harder to pick, and who is going to go out and buy all 12 different keys, for this and every other lock they might encounter?

by **Lukekjackson** » 18 Apr 2006 9:18

Keyring,

I see what you mean about the pictures above, but on second thoughts, the cut which is furthest into the lock will be the turner and as such won’t count, so it looks like three then (shrub knows best). It must just mean they droped a lot for some reason.

I realise from a locksmiths point of view, it’s a bit more practical to carry a pick to suit this “type” of lock as apposed to every possible key to each brand, but it just made me think,

If you were one of those horrible little criminal types (I’m not, before anyone comments about my line of thought) and you had a particular place in mind (one of the shops I’ve seen sells quite expensive thing), it only took me 5 minutes to find out about the 12 differs, and it would only cost a few pounds to buy a lock and measure the cuts, then you can make, buy all the possible keys. It just seems that by publishing that info the manufacturer has just rendered the shops security system useless.

Thinking on you would have to buy the keys wouldn’t you as you wouldn’t know which of the 81 to make

Squire 4 lever practice lock

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