Chubb 114BS 5 lever mortise locks

by **Jlo** » 19 Apr 2006 2:48

Hi All,

A question to you lock smiths out there?

What is the advantages of the BS Chubb 114 5 lever over cheaper models such as legge, Era and DIY own brand 5 lever BS Locks? Do the Chubbs have more false notiches? Do they take longer to open with a curtain 2 in 1 pick than a cheaper BS Lock?

I know the Chubb locks had a 20mm lock bolt but so will all the others after they have updated to meet BS 2004 standards.

Just wondering.

Cheers

Jlo

by **pinky** » 19 Apr 2006 3:58

try picking one to see the different degree of difficulty, but in the eyes of the insurer there is little difference, in quality there certainly is a difference.

by **Jlo** » 19 Apr 2006 4:36

Thanks Pinky,

I am not going to be able to pick one for a long while yet as I am not a locksmith and do not possess the 2 in 1 curtain picks to open one so will have to rely on your opinions on whether they are more difficult to pick or not.

Many Thanks.

Jlo

by **SteveW** » 19 Apr 2006 5:04

At the end of the day you do pay for what you get :wink:

by **pinky** » 19 Apr 2006 5:29

even accomplished pickers struggle on the 114 lock, where most other bs locks do not fight back enough.
you get what you pay for every time, the weaknesses exploited due to machining and manufacture are far less severe in chubb locks than in cheaper ranges.

look at cylinder locks, look at a 6 pin yale and compare it to a 6 pin GEGE , or a 6 pin yale to a 6 pin banham, and you will understand

by **Shrub** » 19 Apr 2006 6:23

You can not pick a BS lock with a 2 in 1 pick.

A 2 in 1 pick is a differant tool to a curtain pick.

A curtain pick is for curtained locks like the BS locks and a 2 in 1 pick is for non curtained locks of any lever count.

The more expensive the lock the more accuritely its been made, sharp corners on the levers, a straighter bolt stump, less clearance in the lever pack, stronger springs, thinner lever bottoms, spacers or not, tighter or sharper anti pick notches etc etc all help to mak a lock harder to pick (in most cases)

by **Jlo** » 19 Apr 2006 7:14

Thanks for all your replies.

Think some 114s will be finding there way on to my doors.

Cheers

Jlo

by **EvoRed** » 19 Apr 2006 7:34

Come on, should anyone seriously be worried whatsoever about having a Fortress or a new Walsall, etc on their door to a 114E?

How many burglars have picked a BS 5 lever to get in, whatever it was? I'd say probably hovering around the zero mark.

Why not go the whole hog and stick a couple of new 7 lever Chubb's in there instead!

by **Jlo** » 19 Apr 2006 7:41

EvoRed funny you should say that?

A few years ago when going in to the local diy store you would often see the Chubb 7 levers sold but do not see them so much advertised these days. You can find them but they don't seem to be sold in the 'homebases B&Q' etc anymore.

You made a good point though although if the chubb is better built then hopefully it will last longer.

Cheers

Jlo

by **Tattoo Guy** » 19 Apr 2006 8:42

Its been said before and I'll say it again.

The vast majority of criminals will go for the quickest route of entry possible and more often than not that involves the size 9 pick.
It suits most doors weather its fitted with a union 3 lever or a chubb 7 lever and all thats left is for someone else to pick up the pieces.

by **devildog** » 19 Apr 2006 9:03

I got curious about lever locks and looked into the chubb 7 lever a while back and it seems to me they discontinued it a few years ago, so now if you want one your best bet is ebay.

by **secondcity** » 24 Apr 2006 16:41

at the end of the day the most important thing is to make sure windows are secure as break in figures suggest the most common entry in burglaries are in fact windows, don't leave keys in sight and use deadlocks if you have them fitted! Many on this site that do warrant runs will back me up and agree that many people who have deadlocks rarely use them and rely on nightlatches as sole means of security

by **devildog** » 24 Apr 2006 16:50

Wow. No one's gonna say whether I was wrong or not in saying they were discontinued--I really half expected to get called on that one, as I *vaguely* recalled reading that somewhere, but I'm only about half sure that's right...

So they were discontinued? Any particular reason? People just not see the added security in 7 levers over 5 as being worth the extra price (I'm sort of an amateur economist so I'm trying to understand this).

by **toomush2drink** » 24 Apr 2006 18:59

I agree second city done a few recently where even though they have had 114's etc fitted they only use the nightlatch. The last one wasnt impressed when i popped his era cylinder in a second or 2 with the wendt (i was in a hurry as another job was lined up).
I cannot get my head around the way people think, they spend loads on a nice plasma tv and 5.1 setup then only use a nightlatch to secure it or wont pay to have a bs mortice fitted, pure crazy. :shock:

by Al » 24 Apr 2006 20:39

Chubb still manufacture 7 lever. They changed the reference numbers though.

Chubb 114BS 5 lever mortise locks

Chubb 114BS 5 lever mortise locks

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