Lock Picking 101 Forum

by **zaphod_beeblebrox** » 21 Apr 2006 8:49

Since a couple of months ago(January), I've become quite fund of euro-cylinders. So, I went and bought myself my first euro cylinder ever. It was An ABUS c83. It is a very good lock for practicing, especially for mid-level beginners. I can really recommend it to everyone who feels that they have to practise more on security pins. It's an easy lock with mushrooms. You get a perfect feeling of the push back-turn technique (like the animation of Mad mick)Nowadays, I can usually pick both sides on it(it's a double-cylinder) within 25 seconds. If i'm really concentrated I can pick them in 15-18 seconds. Anyway, later on I decided to go out and look for more "foreign" locks, and I stopped by a lockshop that usually has a wide selection of locks. The only euro-lock they had in stock was a 2-star SKG approved DOM 5-pin. Of course I had to buy it, since I knew that DOM is kind of usual in the netherlands and germany (Please correct me if I'm wrong here). Anyway, I've tried it very many times now, and I just can't get it open. Is there anyone out here who knows a bit about DOM and their level of security etc.?
Other euro-cylinders my friend and I have collected are Yale, KCS(or something like that) and Tesa.

by **illusion** » 21 Apr 2006 9:25

Toool has an artical regarding DOM locks - that'll be worth a look:

http://www.toool.nl/dom-ix.pdf

2 star... not overly hard to pick in that case. I have a few SKG 2 star rated locks that I've picked.

Matador rakes, or copy the Souber dimple picks.

Not exactly sure which model of DOM you refer to so can only speculate.

Jordy was tackling a DOM, I wonder if he managed?

by **Shrub** » 21 Apr 2006 9:28

Jordy did pick his Dom and i thought the were common in NL.

by **illusion** » 21 Apr 2006 9:30

Really?

He says he didn't manage it in this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=12557&highlight=dom

There are some photos posted of the DOM insides... I can't remember if they are in the advanced or public forums though.

by **Shrub** » 21 Apr 2006 9:33

The Doms are a high security lock so are for the advanced section,

I read that thread as he had picked it by useing a differant method now i read it again i see he tried a differant lock.

by **Rockford** » 21 Apr 2006 9:43

Do a search on here, or a google on the web for DOM. Following links are a start.

http://www.domsecurity.com/b1-hardware.htm
http://www.dom-sicherheitstechnik.de/website/eng/

by **raimundo** » 21 Apr 2006 9:51

Dom may be a variety of different locks made by the DOM company, I have a few Dom IX which are eight or ten dimple pins in two rows. the drillings for the pins are round but with one corner, so that the pins which also fit the holes cannot rotate. this is important because the shear has no bevel on the pins and the two rows are off center, so the tops of the pins have the slope of the plug ( don't know why they designed it this way, the pin drillings could have just come at the plug from angles eliminating the extra steps on the drillings and making the special pins) they were committed to the idea of parrallel drillings rather than angleing them to arrive at the same placeas I would have done it

by **zaphod_beeblebrox** » 21 Apr 2006 10:08

Thanks for the quick responses! No, it's not a DOM IX that I have, it's just a normal pin cylinder for about 20 euros, not any high-security dimple lock. It is a DOM 5-pin and i is 2-star SKG approved. That's basically all I know about it. I'll go check that toool PDF out, it seems interesting! Again, thanks for the responses!
Illusion: What 2-star locks have you picked? Were they hard/how long did it take to pick them? Reason I ask is because I kind of want to know what 2-star SKG approving really means in terms of difficulty, since I only have one lock to compare with ;-)

by **zaphod_beeblebrox** » 21 Apr 2006 10:16

Ah, here it is:

http://www.dom-sicherheitstechnik.de/website/eng/privat_gewerbe/produktinformationen/rs5.htm

"Even in its standard version, the locking cylinder is equipped with numerous convenience and security elements, including a multi-level system to protect against boring, probing and picking."

I wonder what they mean by "multi-level system"?
Also, that blue "bar" on the left side of the cylinder, next to the first and/or second pin? What does that mean? There seems to be two more of them though. Hmmm...

by **Rockford** » 21 Apr 2006 11:15

The blue bars are anti-drill pins.

by **illusion** » 21 Apr 2006 12:54

Illusion: What 2-star locks have you picked? Were they hard/how long did it take to pick them?

2 x Wink Haus, and an AGB.

The Wink Haus were okay, and I'd say 3 minutes roughly. The heavily warded one picked more easily than the less heavily warded one. Weird.

The other lock is an AGB dimple lock - 7 pins, 5 spools. Was a nightmare before I got my hands on the Souber dimple picks - it's not specialy hard now.

When I go over to Holland soon I'll grab some 3 star locks and see how those pan out.

by **Shrub** » 21 Apr 2006 14:10

Well im over at Amsterdam again in a few weeks so ill grab some then, this time i will make sure of it :lol:

by **Aqua** » 21 Apr 2006 14:39

I found it a good idea to purchase some cheep cylinders made in Asia. They go for half or one third of the price of a well known cylinder, and every once in a while you can come by a real bargain. I bet that the cylinders i'm talking about can be found on most flee-markets in the world. It takes me less than 2 minutes to beat a Iseo 7 pin dimple, but still I can't open one of those cheap 5 pin cylinders. I don't know what's inside (i never open my locks before i pick them) but i wouldn't be surprised if I would find a small Asian guy knocking the pick away.

Shrub wrote:Well im over at Amsterdam again in a few weeks so ill grab some then, this time i will make sure of it

Shrub seems like you've been following the red light quite often recently.
Is this an addiction, or still simple pleasure?
I guess it still isn't more dangerous than gambling.
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or is it? :evil:

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by **illusion** » 21 Apr 2006 14:57

With his nymphomanic Dutch girlfriend, I expext his pelvis might be in jeopardy.

by **Shrub** » 21 Apr 2006 22:07

Yes i do go alot to the Dam and yes i like the dutch girls but i havent been down the road for paying for it well thats a lie ive been down the road many times but ive not been in the shops lol

I love the place and yes its an addicion :wink:

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