Closed ring replacement

[p1ckf1sh]

I have just dismantled an old lock that had closed rings. Used a small drill bit to open up the closed rings. The plug has two notches where the material is pushed inwards to hold the plug in the shell. I figured I could just use another open-ended ring and pry the edges into the notches to replace that thing, but the rings I have are considerable thicker than the closed one.

Anyone have an idea on how to replace these closed rings DIY? Or some suggestions on a modification that will enable using another way of securing the plug. Just to clarify, this lock is not going into a door, it is just for picking, but I want as close to original as possible - a shaky plug is hell during picking, and it is also pretty depressing to pick and pick and pick and get nowhere only to find out that the ring was binding/preventing rotation at the end...

[Shrub]

Can you post a pic of your ring (no dirty jokes please) and maybe the plug grove? im not 100% on what you are refering to.

[bembel]

Maybe some thin wire?

[jordyh]

Can you post a pic of your ring (no dirty jokes please) and maybe the plug grove? im not 100% on what you are refering to.

Shrub,

This is my assumption of what he has got.


He has a circlip that is a complete circle, and bent into two notches in the plug.
Winkhaus often does this (and i for as far as my experience goes, they are the only one who do), and if you've ever seen Bens winkhaus lock, you'll understand what i mean.

Of course, repinning a lock with a ring as a circlip will mean breaking the ring, and thus having no way to secure the plug again.
A broken ring won't fit again, it's like breaking a circlip, it won't secure the plug anymore.
This binds the customers to the businesses that have a proper repinning kit (which includes new rings and a small vice to fit them).

I've pondered about this problem as well, and (even though i have only 2 of these rings brand new and undamaged) have not yet thought about a replacement for if i ever would want to repin my harder locks.

That's all i know about this kind of fastening of plugs.

Yours,


Jordy

[Shrub]

There are loads of ways to do it then if its the same as that.

A few off the top of my head are as follows,

A piece of piano wire bent to a C shape,
A small 'o' ring stretched over,
I smaller 'e' clip,
A circlip with lugs on the inside,
A hole drilled through the plug in line with the slot and a wire put through that,
Machine a groove on the plug and use a normal circlip,
Make a plastic washer that you can force on,
Make a collor that fits the end of the plug and tightens up with a grub screw,

Im sure i can come up with a lot more ideas if i try but im sure theres somthing there for you.

[bembel]

Winkhaus often does this (and i for as far as my experience goes, they are the only one who do)

Recently I've got a Wilka with closed rings but was able to re-use them.
Not very trustworthy, but still good enough for picking.

[p1ckf1sh]

Can you post a pic of your ring (no dirty jokes please) and maybe the plug grove? im not 100% on what you are refering to.

I would have done so, but my digicam is long dead, and I have not gotten around to sqeeze a new one from my budget. When I do I will enclose pictures with questions like these...

Thanks for all your suggestions. When I looked up circlip in my dictionary I had the idea that prolly will work. I will try to get an assortment of those things and see if I can make some of the fit. Will post how it worked out for me.

Jordy, you are absolutely right with your assumption, thank you for posting a picture to clarify things. Ths is exactly what I am referring to. I have even found a picture online, that displays the state of the ring once opened



Deep-linked from this page on the SchlossWiki.

Winkhaus often does this (and i for as far as my experience goes, they are the only one who do), and if you've ever seen Bens winkhaus lock, you'll understand what i mean.

On the top of my head I can say that also Wilka and FCV from Germany do this. I have not seen Bens Winkhaus, what do you mean

You also mention that you have two of these rings new and fresh from the box. Where did you get them? Some nice locksmith put out some? I was wondering if I could just go to a locksmuth store and ask for some, but honestly I don't know how they react to people repinning locks and picking them as a hobby... people who consider themselves experts are often easy to offend when you show them their skill isn't that over-the-top...

Bembel, you're a lucky guy then, I suppose. Mine wont allow to be bent in a way that it will hold on its own. Maybe drilled the wrong place, I used the grove itself to position the drill...

Thanks for all your input guys.

[jordyh]

Jordy, you are absolutely right with your assumption, thank you for posting a picture to clarify things. Ths is exactly what I am referring to. I have even found a picture online, that displays the state of the ring once opened

Winkhaus often does this (and i for as far as my experience goes, they are the only one who do), and if you've ever seen Bens winkhaus lock, you'll understand what i mean.

On the top of my head I can say that also Wilka and FCV from Germany do this. I have not seen Bens Winkhaus, what do you mean

You also mention that you have two of these rings new and fresh from the box. Where did you get them? Some nice locksmith put out some? I was wondering if I could just go to a locksmuth store and ask for some, but honestly I don't know how they react to people repinning locks and picking them as a hobby... people who consider themselves experts are often easy to offend when you show them their skill isn't that over-the-top...
Thanks for all your input guys.

First of all, glad i could help.
Secondly: with 'Bens Winkhaus lock', i'm referring to a lock that i've given to Illusion (which, i assume, Shrub has seen) to pick, with closed circlips.

Also, I have indeed mentioned that i have two of these clips, I've got them from a local wholesaler that gave me a load of their old, broken, and yet to be reconstructed locks when I finished my work placement there. They see lockpicking as a funny thing, and will happily supply an old colleague with their 'trash' (locks they've accidentally repinned with a wrong code, no key to match it, they don't pick, and thus, it's trash, gahh).
I guess you could just ask a local lockie, but be prepared for high prices or a curt "no". However, as the dutch saying goes: "He who does not dare, does not win." so just try, why wouldn't you.

Good luck finding a replacement, i guess.

Yours,

Jordy

[p1ckf1sh]

Good luck finding a replacement, i guess.

Thanks, I did a quick and dirty job of it, as always, and got some 12mm rings. They required some attention from my Dremel and a pair of pliers, but they work fine.



It is this type. They were too small but the largest the store had, hence I cut off the the drilled endpieces and opened them with my pliers. Works fine and dandy, even managed to reassemble the entire coupling mechanism and get the rings on the lock nevertheless. They fit perfectly into the grooves if the plug as well.

Thanks for Shrub as to tipping me off to circlips. Sometimes the obvious is... ah well.