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by pyknite » 19 May 2006 16:27
hellol....
je suis nouveau sur le forum... jme présente (je suis peut etre pas dans la bonne section...), je suis étudiant, j'habite en suisse, j'ai 19ans... et je viens de me mettre au lockpick (hier  )
pour info, j'ai acheté un kit ici: http://www.multipick-service.cc/index_fr.php?mode=elite je l'ai recu hier, transaction nickel pour ceux que ca interesse...
j'aurai une ou deux petite question
j'ai lu le fameux guide du lockpick du MIT (un classique il me semble  ), mais bon, quand on passe a la pratique, c'est plus dur... j'ai reussi a crocheter un cadenas a 3 lock, mais la, je viens de passer a 4 et je galère deja  vous avez qqu conseil pour un débutant???
merci
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Hi
I'm new here... I introduce me (i'm not sure if I'm in the good section...), I'm a student, i live in swiss, i'm 19 years old... and i just start lockpick (yesterday  )
for info, i bought my tools here: http://www.multipick-service.cc/index_fr.php?mode=elite , i receive there yesterday, transaction without problem
I have one or two little question
I read the famous lockpicking guide from MIT (I feel it's a classic  ), but when we pass to pratic, it's a bit more difficult  ... I succed to lockpick a lock with 3 pin, but i have a problem with a 4 pin's lock
Have you some tips for a noob???
thx
ps: sorry for my english 
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by p1ckf1sh » 20 May 2006 5:45
pyknite wrote:I read the famous lockpicking guide from MIT (I feel it's a classic  ), but when we pass to pratic, it's a bit more difficult  ... I succed to lockpick a lock with 3 pin, but i have a problem with a 4 pin's lock  Have you some tips for a noob???
Obviously you have mastered the basic technique, because you can pick 3 pins. The secret to picking 4,5 or even 6 pins is practice over and over and over again. Once you have a lock opened, close it immediately and do it again. You did something right, maybe without knowing what you did actually, and this will help to remember the movements you made.
Stick around here, read the FAQs regarding exercises (look for the one made by digital_blue) and keep going. I took up picking in mid-February and was glad to get a cheap padlock open. Now I am playing with 6 pins, two to three being security pins. It is a slow, long process, but it is underway and rewarding in the end.
Also, you might want to join some local locksports group. Many things can be better explained when you are face-to-face with someone. A swiss group can be found here: http://lpspass.lp.funpic.de/
Hope this helps!
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by pyknite » 20 May 2006 6:48
Danke fur deine Antwort... (ich habe gesehen dass du auf deutschland kommst  )
auch danke fur der links uber des gruppe... ich habe geglaubt dass ich der einstige swiss lockpicke ware
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thx for answer.... (i have seen that you come from germany  )
and thx too for the link about the group... i knowed i was the only lockpicker in swisstzerland 
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by p1ckf1sh » 20 May 2006 9:19
pyknite wrote:auch danke fur der links uber des gruppe... ich habe geglaubt dass ich der einstige swiss lockpicke ware  and thx too for the link about the group... i knowed i was the only lockpicker in swisstzerland 
Kein Problem. Und zu Deinem Problem mit dem 4. Stift, wenn wir Dir da helfen sollen mußt Du mal versuchen näher zu beschreiben was los. Ich vermute das Du den Zylinder selber gestiftet hast, also müßtest Du ja sogar ungefähr wissen wie tief die Pins gesetzt werden müssen... was geht denn schief? Sind evtl. Sicherheitsstifte /Hantelstifte drin die problematisch sind? Wenn nicht kann es nur sein, das Du zu tief oder nicht tief genug setzt, oder vielleicht nicht ganz die richtige Reihenfolge. Zum Setzen: Du kannst einen korrekt gesetzten Stift daran erkennen, das er noch ein ganz ganz kleines Fitzelchen nachgibt wenn Du mit dem Pick leicht draufdrückst und durch die Feder wieder hochgedrückt wird. Ein falsch gesetzter Stift ist stationär, keine Bewegung oder Federung, weil er noch Bindung hat.
Übung zum Erkennen der Art der Falschsetzung: Nimm Dein Schloß, mit 2 oder 3 Stiften, setze einen Stift absichtlich zu tief, halt das Schloß ans Ohr and nimm die Spannung weg. Merk Dir das Geräusch. Dann setz den Stift absichtlich zu hoch, ans Ohr, hören, merken. Und dann setz ihn richtig, Ohr, Spannung weg. Bei meinem Gehör klingen korrekt und zu hoch gesetzt gleich, aber zu tief gesetzt hat ein anderes Geräusch, wahrscheinlich weil die Unterbrechung der Stiftsäule beim hochrutschen noch einmal an der Kante vom Kern anschlägt oder so. Mit einem echt guten Gehör kann man wahrscheinlich sogar alle drei Varianten unterscheiden. Das könnte hilfreich sein um später Dein Problem mit dem 4 oder mehrstiftigen Schlössern zu identifizieren.
I don't want to take a bashing for deviating from the official language. So here is a summary: I asked him if there might be security pins in the lock, told him how to distinguish correcly set pins from over/underset pins by feeling, and explained how one could try to distinguish the sounds the pins make when returning after release of tension to find out in what state they were.
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by pyknite » 20 May 2006 11:03
Danke fur die antwort... aber kannst du in english antowrten bitte... ich verstehe besser teknische info in english...
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Thx for answer... but can you answer in english please... i understand better technik info in english...
I suppose there is no security pin, it's a lock at 5$... and i have already opened 5 times, but i don't understand how  i have a probleme with the 3thd or 4thd pin...
thx
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by pyknite » 20 May 2006 11:13
je viens de remarquer qqch... sur le cadenas a 3 pin, seul le dernier pin bloque le cadenas... les autre sont passif
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I just remark something... on the lock at 3 pins, just the last pin block the lock... the others are passiv...
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by pyknite » 20 May 2006 11:18
oups sorry... in fact, when i place the third pin, it automaticly place the others
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toutes mes confuses, enfait, quand je place le dernier pin, ca place automatiquement les deux autres 
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by pyknite » 22 May 2006 12:23
j'ai essayé de faire un bump key cet apremidi avec la clé de rechange du cadenas... ca marche nickel
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I tried to make a bump key this afternoon with the second key of the lock... it works great 
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by raimundo » 23 May 2006 10:01
French I got, but german was just foreign 
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by p1ckf1sh » 23 May 2006 11:14
raimundo wrote:French I got, but german was just foreign 
That's what happens to me when I read french. I do like french fries, though. 
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by pyknite » 24 May 2006 16:46
yes, the language is a problem... but when you have some basic knowledge, it's a bit easier 
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by pyknite » 26 May 2006 17:45
i have a question.... have you a tutorial to make bump key? it's possible with one bump key to open more than one model of lock?
thx
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by pyknite » 31 May 2006 13:05
pyknite wrote:i have a question.... have you a tutorial to make bump key? it's possible with one bump key to open more than one model of lock?
thx
no idea?
thx
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