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Can anyone identify this curtain pick

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Can anyone identify this curtain pick

Postby cymap » 2 Jun 2006 14:49

Hi guys just wondered if anyone recognized this particular make and if so which is it.

Sorry for the hopeless quality.
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jun 2006 14:52

Its the Safe Ventures one.
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Postby kwc » 2 Jun 2006 15:31

Hi Shrub,
Is a curtain pick and a 2 in 1 pick the same?
Am i right in thinking that a 2 in 1 pick is for mortice locks without a curtain.
If so , How do you manage to pick each lever when the curtian is in place?
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Postby illusion » 2 Jun 2006 15:46

I'm not Shrub, but I'm far more attractive, and equaly able to answer your question. :P

A curtain pick is different, to a 2-in-1 pick.

A 2-in-1 pick is so named because it as two 'arms', one to move the bolt, and the other to lift the levers. Essentialy a wider tube slotted over a metal rod. I can't think of any sites that have a clear picture I'm afraid. :?

For non-BS locks that don't have a curtain (The Union 3 lever lock being an example) the 2-in-1 pick is the best to use since it is so comfortable and grips the bolt nicely.

In a curtained lock, when the curtain is turned, it moves the bolt. This means that you only have to turn the curtain to create tension. The curtain has a raised area that catches the curation and turns it.

Here's the curtain, interracting with the bolt of an Invincible:
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Sorry for bad photo quality. :oops:

You turn the curtain as far as it will go, and this allows a wire pick to access the levers and lift them.

Does this clear things up?

Get yourself a cheap BS lock like an ERA Profit, or Invincible, and take it apart and see how the curtain grabs the bolt, how the levers are lifted, how you could get it picked... just ask yourself about how you could beat the lock. If you do all this, then not only will you know exactly how the lock works, but I;d be willing to bet you'll have figured out how to make a pick. :wink:

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Postby kwc » 2 Jun 2006 15:52

Hi illusion,
Thanks for the reply. if you turn the curtain to put tension on the bolt, does this not stop you insert a pick to operate the levers. Sorry I have not seen how a curtain pick is made up or how to use it.
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Postby illusion » 2 Jun 2006 15:56

No - you can turn the curtain with a hook shaped piece of wire, and this leaves loads of room for another piece of wire to go in and pick the levers.

The beauty of a curtain is that the tools must be inserted into the lock before the curtain is turned, and new tools cannot be inserted without turning the curtain back to the neutral position, thus resetting the lock.

You don't HAVE to have a curtain pick, but it makes the process much easier - think the difference between picking a lock with decent picks, and then doing it with a safety pin - still works but is a bit trickier.

I don't think I'm allowed to show a close-up of a curtain pick in the public forums, since BS locks are technicaly advanced material. :)
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Postby kwc » 2 Jun 2006 16:04

I see how the 2 in 1 pick will work, but i think i need to look at the curtain pick some how to grasp its use.
I can't see how you get enough play within the curtain to lift the levers as well as putting tension on the bolt.
I have to go just now, My tea is ready!
Back soon
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Postby cymap » 2 Jun 2006 16:08

Thanks for the quick answer yet again. I have just seen your post above Ben about pictures of curtain picks so I apologize mods if the picture is against the rules and I cant seem to find the edit. I will remove it from my webspace. EDIT I am going blind I have now edited the post although it wasnt a close up or anything I dont want to break the rules :)
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Postby illusion » 2 Jun 2006 16:13

If a mod clears it, then I'll post a photo with the cover off, with the basic position.

So mods, what do you reckon? :)
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jun 2006 19:10

Im not a mod but pictures in my opinion arent going to matter, you can go to chris belchers website and see examples of curtain picks along with others,

The picture you showed didnt even show the pick as such so would have been ok.

There are many many posts on this site on how to pick bs locks i dont see any issue with showing the tools to do it, they require a lot of practise and skill to use which you cant get from a website.
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jun 2006 19:37

It apears chris has had his website changed yet again and there are no pictures on it of curtain picks but if you want to see some here are some links, look around the sites to find them.

http://www.lockpick-tools.co.uk/ good picks scroll down to see some pics and click to expand, curtain picks and 2 in 1's can be seen here..

http://www.safeventures.com/ click on the button on the left that points you to the curtain pick.
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Postby Chris B » 3 Jun 2006 3:45

:)
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Postby horsefeathers » 3 Jun 2006 3:51

Chris B

Your www button goes to a duff web address - just thought you ought to know.

regards

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Postby Chris B » 3 Jun 2006 4:24

:)
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Postby NKT » 3 Jun 2006 7:33

Chris, your www button doesn't work still, although Suzie's done a great job re-vamping the site!

I suspect you haven't put the http: on the front or something, in your profile.
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