Multipoint lock on uPVC door - help to change euro lock

[bigad]

I have been asked to change the euro profile cylinders on a friends house - dead easy I thought, until I came to the conservatory, where there is no screw in the hole to secure the cylinder in position.

There is a hole when the door is unlocked, but when you lift the door handle to engage the multipoint mechanism it slides a cover over the hole, so obviously there is no way a screw can be put in. It looks like there is some sort of internal screw or bolt used to secure the cylinder in position (it doesn't move), and the hole which gets covered is the access to this.

Any ideas how I get the screw out in order to change the cylinder??
The mechanism is stamped "For Profile 22 By Yale"

A post i found which describes the mechanism better than i can is this one;

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:

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Some of the doors we have around here have a slide that goes up and down when you left the handle that cover the screw that holds in the cylinder.If the cylinder retaining screw is loose it jams so the handle will not remove the bolts.try to move the cylinder in the door when you push down on the handle.But this is just 1 of a lot of faults it could be.
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Thanks for any help

Adam

[Rockford]

You've answered your own question - sort of. If, when the handles are lifted the mechanism covers the access hole - then lower the handles to uncover the hole!!!!!. Remove screw, remove cylinder (easier if key is available, as the cam will need to be turned a few degrees), insert new cylinder, replace screw ----- job done.

[Rockford]

Forgot to say...it may be an allen key headed screw, rather than your standard cross-head.

[bowleya]

It may be held in by a grub screw, The first time i saw one i scratched me head for a while.

[haribo]

The screw is there but is an allen key head remove it as usual same with all yale multipoints. I keep a couple in stock as if damaged or lost can easliy replace as wont except a usual euro screw

[bigad]

Thanks for the replies....I'll have to have another look, or a feel with an allen key....it just looked very much like it didn't have a typical head at all, hence the query - it looked quite rounded, possibly a special tool required? I'm hoping the head hasn't been completely rounded off by the previous occupant - all the locks look a bit (very) bodged, so there is every possibility.

Any recommendations on the type/brand/model of replacement euro profile cylinder to replace them with? Cost not too much of an issue, house just needs to be secure.

Having looked into the shortcomings of euro cylinders I think I might change mine too..

[Rockford]

Just make sure it's fitted correctly - flush with the handle set.

[NickBristol]

Adam, you cant go too far wrong with Evva euro cylinders in my opinion - either the Dual Profile System or the 3KS. If you want super-shiny go for the Evva MCS.

if you let us know where you are, maybe one of the lockies close to you on here can supply them for you to fit.

[bigad]

Do you mean completely flush with the handle or protrusion of a couple of mm??? If its slightly too short it will look wrong....but the next size up will protrude by a few mm.

[bowleya]

Flush with the furniture is ideal,but if it protrudes a couple of mm this is not so bad. If it protrudes too far it can be snapped with a snapper.Ideally Look for a 6 pin instead of a 5 pin with a anti drill pins.

[UNFORGIVEN]

it will be an allen screw
these are a pain in the a*ss to me they dont seem to secure the cylinder in place tight enough but they hold it where it should go
but you also have to make sure they are screwed in far enough so that when you lift the handles the sliding mec clears it

a warning dont screw it in too much i lernt this the hard way many years ago and lost the screw in the mec but mannaged to get over the problem

hope it goes ok for ya

any upvc questions dont hesitate to ask

Regards

[algygale]

Hi..

Ive just come across my first UPVC door lock case that i need to change.

If it just has 1 bolt at top & one at bottom going into the top part of frame not the side...and 1 normal bolt halfway down door...

Do i have to get a special lock case or can i just use a euro cylinder lock case from SKS?

I might add that the top & bottom bolts are not needed & striking plates have been blanked off due to faulty mechs.

Any ideas where i can get upvc cases door pad handles trade?

Thanks...

[bobc]

Hi..

Ive just come across my first UPVC door lock case that i need to change.

If it just has 1 bolt at top & one at bottom going into the top part of frame not the side...and 1 normal bolt halfway down door...

Do i have to get a special lock case or can i just use a euro cylinder lock case from SKS?

I might add that the top & bottom bolts are not needed & striking plates have been blanked off due to faulty mechs.

Any ideas where i can get upvc cases door pad handles trade?


Thanks...

Well personally I would advise that you replace the faulty mechs as this would improve on the security of the door ! If its a case of just changing the euro cylinder due to lost keys etc. then that is straight forward.
I would recommend that you investigate the cause of fault and then go from there.
I am assuming of course that the door does operate from both sides(in/out)and it is operated by a key on at least one side ?
You could always post some pics to give some idea on type/make
Sounds a bit like a Fero/GU multipoint lock which has the shootbolt top and bottom and then latchbolt in middle

[acl]

Re the last but one post ,and not wanting to cause offence ,is it any wonder us old lockies get the arse a little?

[Bump]

Re the last but one post ,and not wanting to cause offence ,is it any wonder us old lockies get the arse a little?

I'm with ACL. I hope this question is being asked by a DIY housholder and not a trading locksmith.