Bulleted locks

[xorb]

how many keyways are there out there with the bullet on the mortice key? I've been told that even 1 manufacturer has up to eight on one model.

I'm just trying to clarify this because i wondered what the most common version is so i can get key blanks for them.

[Shrub]

Whats a buleted lock?
Whats a bullet on a key?

[jamesphilhulk2]

do u mean something like this

http://www.locksonline.co.uk/acatalog/Bullet_and_Roller_Shutter_Locks__1_.html

i googled bullet locks and thats it

[horsefeathers]

maybe its for a gun cabinet

[bonez]

maybe its for a gun cabinet

[Mark A]

Xorb

There are many mortice locks with bullet wards, they are the budget/internal 2 and 3 lever locks.

The bullet wards can be at different heights and on both sides of the keyway which means the blanks are specific to the keyways.

Mark

[xorb]

Cheers matey thats whatn i was after!!!

For shame all of you who don't know what a bullet is on a key. Although maybe some of you call them wards?? I know a ward as a sideway cut for locks with a bizzare curtain or a uncurtained lock with notches inside to prevent unauthorised keys, also for master key systems.

Look:
http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?pag ... &prod=4775
Bullet, the wave on a key, only this key may pass. A bugger for the old 2 in 1.

Look:
http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?pag ... &prod=4283
Ward, the side cuts on the key.

Look:
http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?pag ... &prod=5784
This is a super duper ward infested key.

Shrub, what do you call the bump in the key, i'm interested to see other peoples terminology. I guess it veries from region to region much like how we in yorkshire call fish cakes, scones in the fish and chip shop.

[Shrub]

Ah ok i see, i just call them wards, i didnt realise that was the proper name for them, see still learing stuff

I thoiught a bullet lock was what james linked to and couldnt work out what was on the key

From memory there are only a few sets for certain locks, i oedered a full set for the unions and there wasnt that many, they even come with a number stamped on them,

The bigger the key goes the less number of combos there are i think as i have a few sets of bigger keys and theres only 10 in one and 8 in another i think off the top of my head,

[keyman]

not being sarcastic shrub just curious are you a working locksmith?

[Shrub]

Pretend to be yes,

When ordering i use order codes,

When talking to myself i call them wards,

Self taught and this site so never had any formal discussion of names,

Why do you ask?

[keyman]

The reason i asked was that i read the first post and took no notice ,didn't really register.Then reading the rest of the posts it all became clear what was being asked .The first thing i was taught on the MLA course was all the different keyways wards and bullets and the history of locks,so i was happy to see another locksmith on the same wavelenth as me lol .no rudeness intended it just didn't click with me .
regards
matt

[Shrub]

I envy the start the mla give to new members but once i knew the score i was too far on to want to start all over again, im trying to find spare time to read up on the history of locks etc but ive not got round to it yet,

Unlike pin locks there isnt a set definate list of meanings and parts available for lever locks in the public domain that isnt 100 years old or made by someone in the us having never seen a lever lock before,

I find the customer doenst want to know,
The family doesnt want to know,
The supplier only wants code numbers,

So other than talking to other lockies theres no other oportunity to talk technical,

[keyman]

just found this pic on another post about canadian lever locks
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s189/moosehead_photo/Picture001-2.jpg

[keyman]

Your right there shrub the only time i have ever had to name all the parts in a lever lock was when i took the enterance exam ,i can't remember the last time i ordered a lock without the stock code ,anyway there are a few good sites on here that you can get all the info but to read chubbs the history of locks you need a feew spare hours , there is a union 2 lever lock ,which has 24 differs but has 4 different bullet wards so making intotal 96 differs or to the lay man keys ,but without saying to much in an open forum you only need 6 keys to open all

[Shrub]

The thing that upsets me is that the local builders simply rip locks and mostly the full dooor out of anything they are renovating so i dont get anywhere near as much old locks as i used to, i usd o get loads of old church locks that use the really big keys but had nothing on those for 12 months easy,

Ive got all the litrature just no time to read it lol,