XP1

[NIC]

PICKPICK sold me this cylinder, but i can't remember the brand ?

Actually this is my new nightmare. I'm guessing, i'm going to have to get a new tool or something.? I know that for you Europeans this keyway is nothing but here #%$^

The Key http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s189 ... ure011.jpg

The Keyway

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s189 ... ure007.jpg

[Wrenchman]

Wow, that keyway looks difficult...I think it is broken!



Wrenchman

[PickPick]

It's an Abus. Normally it would say so on the keys but these locks are from a batch made for the Mister Minit keycutting/shoe repair/etc store chain.
I've picked some of them with a small hook by going in next to the pins and then levering it from the side, kinda like picking a dimple lock. A pick gun with a heavily thinned down needle works sometimes, too. And you could try to make a bump key from the second key. Just remember to enlarge the dimples at the side of the key a little bit since you only want to bump the normal keys, not the passive control pins.

[zeke79]

Correct. It is an abus. It is called top security and packaged as TSB5000 if I recall correctly.

[PickPick]

No, the TSB5000 looks just the same from the outside but uses active side pins while the XP1 uses passive ones.

[NIC]

Ok got this link

http://www.abus.de/us/main.asp?ScreenLa ... 3318166082

Loads of fun !!

[zeke79]

No, the TSB5000 looks just the same from the outside but uses active side pins while the XP1 uses passive ones.

Thanks for that PickPick. Do you have an abus model # for the passive type lock? All of mine are tsb5000's and I was not aware there was a passive model.

[LockNewbie21]

Good luck, I have been at this thing since pickpicks arrived to me.. and I dunno what the h*ll i am doing wortha crap.

Can anyone tell me how to dissasemble on? Normally I just remove the split rings.. But i cannot fin one everythings covered.

And to be clear, there is a sidebar in XP1, or the one pictured which is mine?

I need to strip it and give it a good cleaning. This honestly has to be one of the nicest pin tumblers as far as VERY effetive warding and tollerences go, also for the price

[NIC]

With what do you TRY to pick it ?

[greyman]

Looks like an Cisa TSP or Abus TS5000. Nice lock. Let me know if you manage to pick it Original design by EVVA - not sure why they didn't actually produce it in Austria. These locks are quite widespread in Western Europe.

[greyman]

There is no sidebar, but you are in for a surprise once you open it. There are goodies galore.

[LockNewbie21]

anybodyhave a pick of the guts of the lock?

I still can't figure out how to dissasemble it, no danm split rings atleast that i can get at.

If not I am hackin the thing in half, i can't get mine because its gummed up.. or i am missing something stupid.


I think this keyway config. would be better as a straight deadbolt, every parracentric euro I have you just stick you hook in upside down, probe back to the thumb turn, flip if around and can work my way front.

Also like the winkhuas for those annoying bearing, use a wish bone and place it in carefully, especially in the lock all the bearing are in the lower warding so i guess they help with bumping.. if you dont just file or dremel a channel the length of the key

[zeke79]

You are correct greyman. The cisa TSP is a mirror image of the keyway though.

[JackNco]

Trust me us Europeans do NOT class that as easy. good luck with that!

[NIC]

anybodyhave a pick of the guts of the lock?

I still can't figure out how to dissasemble it, no danm split rings atleast that i can get at.

If not I am hackin the thing in half, i can't get mine because its gummed up.. or i am missing something stupid.


I think this keyway config. would be better as a straight deadbolt, every parracentric euro I have you just stick you hook in upside down, probe back to the thumb turn, flip if around and can work my way front.

Also like the winkhuas for those annoying bearing, use a wish bone and place it in carefully, especially in the lock all the bearing are in the lower warding so i guess they help with bumping.. if you dont just file or dremel a channel the length of the key

I've been reading on the Abus site, and i think that the lock is made not to be opened. They keep saying you must have the key card or change the cylinder !!