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ingersoll

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

ingersoll

Postby padlocks » 26 Mar 2008 17:37

Is there anybody out there who has picked an ingersoll 10 pin (disk) lock? if so does anyone have film of this, I'm struggling to even get one pin to set. None of by tension tools seem strong enough.
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Postby Cherokee » 26 Mar 2008 17:46

Padlocks,
The 'Ingersoll' is a very difficult lock to pick as does not have pins but levers /discs (not sure of correct term) but those of us who have taken one apart will know what I mean.

The plug is very difficult to turn due an O ring around the plug.

I have a few 'Ingersoll's in my collection and have yet to pick one.

I am currently trying to come up with a homemade tool to try to make picking easier.

Good Luck with yours


Cheers,
Brian 8)
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Postby JackNco » 26 Mar 2008 19:06

theres a video on www.locksportarchives.com
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Postby padlocks » 27 Mar 2008 19:43

JackNco wrote:theres a video on www.locksportarchives.com

i'm being a bit thick, but i can't find it under the link, can you be a bit more specific. thanks
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Postby JackNco » 27 Mar 2008 20:18

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Postby padlocks » 28 Mar 2008 13:07

JackNco wrote:http://www.locksportarchives.com/archives/index.php?topic=80.0 u may need to be a member

thanks for trying, but still having problems - i logged in ok, but got the following message - The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Any ideas, could you download it and pm the file to me?
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Postby JackNco » 28 Mar 2008 13:32

http://www.locksportarchives.com/archiv ... ;attach=62 is the direct file link but its in the general members area so you should have access.
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Postby greyman » 30 Mar 2008 16:33

There is a particular trick, but it probably shouldn't be mentioned on the public forum. They definitely can be picked, I know someone who has picked several Ingersolls.
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Postby padlocks » 30 Mar 2008 16:40

greyman wrote:There is a particular trick, but it probably shouldn't be mentioned on the public forum. They definitely can be picked, I know someone who has picked several Ingersolls.

Just wind us up, how about pming me as I still can't get any joy with the video link above.
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Postby JackNco » 30 Mar 2008 18:10

padlocks wrote:
greyman wrote:There is a particular trick, but it probably shouldn't be mentioned on the public forum. They definitely can be picked, I know someone who has picked several Ingersolls.

Just wind us up, how about pming me as I still can't get any joy with the video link above.


Nah just PM me i have my theories but havent tested them fully
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Postby illusion » 31 Mar 2008 7:57

They can be picked using a standard SouthOrd tension wrench, and a hook pick. I know this because I personally picked an Ingersoll this way.

They do need quite a lot of tension, but that's not really the difficulty in terms of picking said locks. The hardest part I found was that the levers are under a lot of spring tension and I found it really hard to keep them set.

I don't remember using any super secret technique when I picked my Ingersoll open... I just treated it like a double sided pin tumbler lock, with super strong springs, and a tendency to reset itself on a whim.

Let us know how you get on with it, I'd like to hear how other people get on with them.

Good luck buddy! :)
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never seen one

Postby raimundo » 31 Mar 2008 10:07

Ive never seen one, but reading illusions post about how the strong springs will keep resetting them, I got this idea of doing a thing like square timbering a mineshaft, the concept being that perhaps something could be made to fit inside the lock and hold the picked lever up. perhaps bearing on a part of the belly of the lever closer to the pivot point.

or perhaps this is a lock best opened by decoding and making a key.
Wake up and smell the Kafka!!!
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Postby dmux » 31 Mar 2008 12:13

decoding might even be difficult if the springs are really strong, they might be so stiff to make a mark on the key
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Postby JackNco » 31 Mar 2008 13:51

there is a decoder around but thats advanced access stuff. all ive seen is a picture. aparently its a J Falle tool.
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Postby padlocks » 31 Mar 2008 16:06

so far haven't managed to keep more than one pin set at a time and have destroyed 3 tension tools!
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