Which is the most secure euro cylinder.

[djprivatus]

i had the new mt5 lock which was comprimised and also the new abloy which is supposed to be the best. which locks are the highest rated and secure.

[Eyes_Only]

You had an Abloy that was compromised? Are you being hunted down by the government or something?

[djprivatus]

lol well its not that hard the lock stockist must have duplicated a key from the card inside the box, as abloy does not come in a sealed box.

[djprivatus]

I am just an normal guy, nothing special apart from i produce music. The same stockest fitted an alarm which is not working correctly. this is the same people that supplied all the locks to me for the last 2 years but there have been a few problem break ins. only reason they got caught is they tried to force open a biometric safe which holds household utility bills and master copies of tracks i produce to keep them safe.

[NickBristol]

Take a look at some of the Kaba cylinders on the market.

The mechatronic ones are as good as you can get but not cheap. It comes done to how much what you want to protect is worth to you.

Where did you get your Abloy from? It's a serious breach in their key control if it was duplicated by the supplier. It's much more common that someone known to you got hold of the security card and had a key made, which is still poor key control.

So was the guy doing it actually caught? Or just disturbed?

[djprivatus]

Well whomever it was nearly caught last year when i decided to come home early and went straight to my living room and started to play the ps3 then heard and seen the door close. This time to bypass the mt5 lock they would need a bump key and every key is specific to the supplier of the key, so the same people that supplied my locks and fitted my alarm which was not done right. basiclly to get passed the mt5 they would have had to get a blank key from that specific dealer anyway. The abloy i received a box with a new lock and it was minus a card to have the key duplicated, i went back and asked where it was and they just put my abloy key in the cylinder decoder thing and wrote the key number on the back of a business card signed by the director of the locksmith company. i assume this is not normal. this tells me something, basiclly the flaw is in the distribution via abloy they should be in a sealed box, any supplier can write the code down and duplicate thekey for future possible illegal purpose. whats my best options, contact abloy

[mh]

I'd say that an Abloy Protec is the best available, but of course, if you can't trust the dealer, you have a problem.

DOM e.g. sells locks in sealed boxes, but they are 1) transparent so an expert can still derive the key code and 2) not too difficult to open without breaking the seal.

Your best bet would be to get an Abloy Protec through an anonymous channel.

Cheers,
mh

[djprivatus]

Does anyone know if the abloy protec is shipped to the supplier sealed with the card inside. also how is the box sealed, i am sure i saw a white sticker keeping one lock i purchesed closed but it was just a sticky white sticker, nothing special, i think abloy should security seal there boxes to avoid situations like this.

[mh]

I don't think they are sealed. I believe Abloy trusts the dealers. For more details on the levels of key blank control, read the documents on the right side of this page: http://www.toool.nl/index-eng.php

Cheers,
mh

[djprivatus]

Cheers MH, i will get locks shipped to a friends address and use there cc. i have a meeting on tuesday with the company regarding the failure of the mt5 system and alarm with voice dialer in my home. if no sucess there i will have another visit to the police and make it official. this company is the only mt5 stockist and abloy stockist in scotland, and both locks been comprimised and past an alarm system fitted by them, which i only noticed to not work as it should. Strange but true

[JackNco]

the easiest solution to you (slightly paranoid) problem would be to buy 2 locks from separate independent locksmiths. or an alarm from a separate stockist. or a decent safe, I'm yet to see a good one with a biometric lock....

you could also buy a lock and just have a locksmith fit it and not show him a card.

Abloy protec are great locks but once you get in to those price ranges you really can feel secure that most things cant be picked by many people. and that includes locksmiths that don't happen to be working for government agencies.

John

[dougfarre]

It never occurred to me that an entire system could be compromised just because the company doesn't offer locks in sealed boxes. What an aspect along the line that should never be overlooked. Even the most secure locking cylinders seem to "exponentially" decrease in value (in terms of its ability to protect) after it leaves the factory. Each hand it comes in contact with could potentially compromised everything you have worked hard to create.

[JackNco]

I purchased a set of Kaba GeGe cylinders once on ebay never used that had a key missing. i later found out they were master keyed. and trust me when i say that piece of info was left out and seriously diminished the security.

I picked them both no problem with times under 30 seconds. I have tried 4 or 5 more GeGes since then and coudlnt open any. its a good point been riased here. the more hands its been through reduces security and could mean theres things you dont know.

John

[mh]

It never occurred to me that an entire system could be compromised just because the company doesn't offer locks in sealed boxes.

Yes, and if you add to this the ease of breaking and replacing seals (or opening e.g. the DOM "safety box") - it all comes down to anonymity and/or coding the cylinder (creating the secret) yourself.
The latter part only works of course if you can cut your own keys, or can obtain keys anonymously.
If you can do this, Abloy Protec is ideal, it's really easy to disassemble and re-assemble with shuffled disks.

Cheers,
mh

[paulvalente]

If you want an abloy protec cylinder you could buy one off ebay, I got mine for about £10! I had it sent to my work meaning that if the seller was a crook they wouldn't know where I live.