EVVA EURO CYLINDER

[gee252]

any info on evva euro cylinders? got a couple given without keys been picking them but they seem quite hard.
stripped on down to have a look no anti pick pins just look all steel would have thought it would go easy but it takes a lot longer to pick than some others that have anti pick pins in.

[mbell]

Evva make a range or locks - From normal-ish security standard 5 pin cylinders, standard 5 pin cylinders but with extremely restricted keyways and those which look esasy enough but actually have a single or double sidebar - the DPI/DPS and the DPX ranges. From the few I've picked, all have extremely high tolerances.

[PickPick]

I've had only one Evva with sidebar yet and there, it was no big deal. The lock picked quite easily using a HPC2000 deforest pick and hook and I didn't have to think about the sidebar until I turned the core to ~2 'o clock, then I gave it some scrubbing with the deforest pick and open.
As for the normal Evvas, the keyways sometimes give me a headache but normally I still get by with light raking at the beginning and when it turns a bit I do the rest with my trusty thinned down HPC2000 hook.

[Eagerpicker]

my trusty thinned down HPC2000 hook.

How is that? Thinned down hook? Did you mention this before? I'm curious...

Also, I just took a look at the Evva 3KS (or 3 Curve System) lock... That key just looks plain... scary! "Picking protection through a complicated technical system: 12 springless operating locking pins with 18 control pins have to be brought in a certain position to turn the plug" (from the Evva website.)

[EvoRed]

I have a 3KS on my front door. Will have to shove another cylinder in there and look at taking it apart soon, but doesn't look easy to pick, that's for sure.

[PickPick]

Thinned down hook?

Oh, it's nothing special, I guess I just didn't choose a good expression. It's just a normal HPC2000 hook where I used a file to take away a little bit from the stem so that it's less bulkier and easier to move around in those evil paracentric keyways.

As for the Evva3KS, it's a very nice lock. Although Falle sells a decoder (to governments), I'd still consider it very secure against picking. The only problem is that you need to put some kind of hardened protection plate in front of it, as the cylinder itself is vulnerable to drilling. It does have an anti-drill plate built in but if you know what you're doing, it's not that difficult to remove it.

[Eagerpicker]

That's clever -- do you have a pic of this pick maybe?

[jason]

I hit one on a warrant and they (the occupiers) were being bloody minded so I used a "snapper" on it (I was permitted to use a sledgehammer on that job )

The one I hit didn't have any sidebar but was definitely an EVVA, it did have one hell of a nasty keyway though, my "Majestic" set couldn't maneouver inside although I could "just" get my HPC2000s in.

Experience has taught me not to spend too long on warrant jobs opening doors under windows (I did one and the occupant decided to throw the contents of their toilet/chamber pot out the window - missed me - hit their Social Worker - didn't offer him a lift afterwards)

[PickPick]

That's clever -- do you have a pic of this pick maybe?

I don't have a digicam but a friend is going to come over some of the next days and then I'll make pictures of my whole set. I tried to put them on the scanner before, but the results sucked, especially for the tension wrenches.

As for the keyways, they're a big problem if you're using normal picks. More than once I had the problem that when I used the normal HPC2000 snake I would set some pins, the core moved to ~1 o'clock and due to the set pins not being able to move anymore I couldn't remove my pick, it was trapped. That's why I use the deforest most of the time.

[oldlock]

I've had only one Evva with sidebar yet and there, it was no big deal. The lock picked quite easily using a HPC2000 deforest pick and hook and I didn't have to think about the sidebar until I turned the core to ~2 'o clock, then I gave it some scrubbing with the deforest pick and open.
As for the normal Evvas, the keyways sometimes give me a headache but normally I still get by with light raking at the beginning and when it turns a bit I do the rest with my trusty thinned down HPC2000 hook.

The sidebar in DPS is not for extra security (as such) it is for key control. The sidebar has a small floating pin in it, which will, if a pirate key blank ( with a depression machined into it for the sidebar to fall into) turn to 2 o'clock and then jam solid, preventing the pirate key being turned either way. The position of this pin is random depending on the sidebar.

I used to be an Evva DPS dealer (unique key section) and never succeded in picking one, the spool pins and the overlapping very tight keyway prevented the use of standard picks full stop.

Paul