Chubb levers

[xlr8ed1]

i had a brief look but could not find this covered else where so sorry if it has.

I came across some "new" chubb levers in a 3k74 the other day, these i found out are "E" type. The main obvious difference to these levers from other 114 type are the fact that they are opened gated ie. not the traditional 'H' shape. More closley the belly of the lever was much flatter near the pivot.

My only conclusion from these new design was to prevent picking in couple of different ways.

Firstly if you where to pick the levers to high above the correct height there is the potential for bending the lever given that a) it is brass b) open ended

secondly having a flatter type belly it would prevent a blutac reading of the belly from being made to aid in decoding

i would be interested if others have come across these and are picking them in the same method as my method is somewhat defunct now?

[acl]

Not actually tried this myself but a colleage of mine has used Terry Staddons 114 pick on the new 114e with some success

[pinky]

the heights remain the same, both the staddon and falle pin and cams open these in 5 mins without problem.

i did post a post earlier about these, and the only effective way to id them against a 114 , its an easy id point.

chris is also developing a curtain pick for these.

these levers have been around for a while in the 3G114E, 3K74E, 3G107 ( new 7 lever replacing 117 ) and the new non bs 3G115E and 3K75E.

[Al]

The change to open ended lever was to enable the lock to meet European standards. Hence 3G114e

This specifies a longer throw which obviously could not be acheived with the same pocketed levers.

Note the change of bolt thrower, it's the easy way to identify these locks.

Al

[pinky]

just turn curtain 90 degrees and shine a torch into keyway, the 114has 2mm of daylight at the bottom of keyway , the 114E has 6 to 8mm of daylight at bottom of keyway.
if you have the pin and cam its open in 5 mins just the same as the 114, its only if drilling that the drill point is totaly different.

[captainsawdust]

I have tried the rb chubb make up kit and it is around 95% correct on a good day 65% on a bad day the reader keys need more work to it, as a mate had one and his readers were a little bit different to mine in the kit, a bit hit and miss

[pinky]

forget the rb chubb make up kit, get the safeventures chubb pin and cam, this is 100% effective on all old and new chubb 3G114, 3G114E , 3K74 , 3K74E, 3G115 , 3K75, 3G115E, 3K75E locks, and when practiced in about 5 minutes, when novice allow 10 minutes a lock.

[EvoRed]

Another way of identifying the E series locks I have is by sliding something like a small L shaped wire along the bottom of the keyway (actually going through the keyway) and, after 0.5mm or so, it will slip down 2mm onto a ledge on the inside of the case.

The non-E series I have don't have this ledge so the wire slides along the bottom of the keyway for 2mm and drops a few mm straight to the bottom of the lock case.