Walsall 2000 Lever padlock for use in USA

[seattlepicker]

Ok, here's my problem. In the short time I've been learning about lock picking, I've started to look askance at a lot of the locks I've been using to secure my own property and am looking to replace some of them. In particular, I have a workshop/toolshed on my property that is secured with a padlock and I can't sleep at night knowing that my tools are being protected by a lock with the name Master on it lol. I was thinking about ordering a Walsall 2000 from the UK. Here is my reasoning. 1. It's a lever lock and should hold up well in the rain here in Seattle. 2. Lever locks are all but uknown anymore here in the US, so the chances of someone knowing how to pick it and having the tools to do so are remote. 3. It's a lever lock and lever locks are cool (at least to an American who never sees them) My question is, are these decent locks and fairly resistant to physical attack? Anyone have experience with them?

[Squelchtone]

Lever locks are cool, but that one does not seem to have a very complicated key, and you are right, most people in the US don't know how to pick one open, so the only thing they could do is try to break it off. I am not sure how that one would stand up to a large pipe wrench. That shackle looks pretty thick, would it fit on a typical US hasp? Here's a link to a Walsall 2000: http://www.walsall-locks.co.uk/product.php?id=9

May I recommend that you go to this Seattle area (Duvall, WA) business: http://www.securitysnobs.com/ and buy an Abloy PL330, PL340, or shrouded PL342 padlock, they're pick proof, and meant to survive the harsh winters of Finland. Also look into the Abloy SO410 shrouded hasp, which is far better than a traditional hasp and staple configuration such as sold by Master.

I believe they may also have a small shop as well, so you can go visit and see the locks in person and compare different models before buying.

Squelchtone

[fgarci03]

buy an Abloy PL330, PL340, or shrouded PL342 padlock, they're pick proof, and meant to survive the harsh winters of Finland

I've always wondered what this means. Are they pickproof ever in theory? Or they're no-one-has-ever-managed-to-pick-it pickproof?
I grew up believing that no network is 100% secure, no computer is 100% un-hackeable, no system is perfect and no lock is unpickable, so it gives me a hard time understanding that concept. Not that I don't believe it. It's just I've never understood how that's possible. I mean, whatever lock can be opened with a key can be manipulated...



... Right?

[Luissen]

buy an Abloy PL330, PL340, or shrouded PL342 padlock, they're pick proof, and meant to survive the harsh winters of Finland

I've always wondered what this means. Are they pickproof ever in theory? Or they're no-one-has-ever-managed-to-pick-it pickproof?
I grew up believing that no network is 100% secure, no computer is 100% un-hackeable, no system is perfect and no lock is unpickable, so it gives me a hard time understanding that concept. Not that I don't believe it. It's just I've never understood how that's possible. I mean, whatever lock can be opened with a key can be manipulated...



... Right?

I've always shared this belief, after all, it's only a matter of time and good hard thinking the way I see it.

maybe when someone makes quantum encryption...

[fgarci03]

maybe when someone makes quantum encryption...

DNA Computers would crack that in no time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing

[EmCee]

Terminology is important, I think. I don't agree with using the term 'pick-proof' or 'unpickable'; but rather, 'pick resistant'.

I agree that if something can be opened with a key then it is capable of being picked open.

However, in the real world it's not about whether a lock can be picked in absolute terms, but whether the lock can be picked within a reasonable time and at reasonable cost.

A hobbyist working on lock in a vice in a nice brightly-lit workshop, sitting comfortably and with no distractions, for example, might be able to pick open an 'unpickable' lock even if it takes a couple of weeks.

Someone planning illegal entry will not have anything like that amount of time, will probably be kneeling in the dark in an awkward position working on a lock installed in a door, and with half a mind distracted by the risk of being caught.

[fgarci03]

Completely agree with you EmCee!
But it may be possible, I just don't know any

At least in a regular lock. I've read somewhere about an electronic lock that has never been bypassed. Won't go into details but you know there are ways to see the numbers that are most used in electronic keypads right? So you know which ones are used and just have to try the combinations.

On a lock (that I don't know the name), the electronic keypad changes the location of the number eveytime you enter the code, so you end up using every button regularly.
You always enter the same code, but always press different buttons. I don't know if I made myself clear

[NKT]

The Walsall 2000 isn't a bad lock. The Morgan 5l is just as solid, but not as shiny - it doesn't have stainless steel outer faces, but is a harder pick.

As long as you lock it to something solid enough to take a pipe wrench or sledgehammer attacking it, it'll never fail. Being semi-closed shackle, anyone trying to disc cut it will have to chew through a lot of steel to get to the bolt, and the double plate design ensures anyone trying to drill the rivets is on a hiding to nothing.

Yes, it is completely weatherproof - even if they look like crap after years, the levers will be fine as they are inside and safe. Just spray a bit of GT85 up into the levers once a year.

Buy a shackle that has the quarter-sphere over the top that protects the top and prevents torque attacks, and you are sorted. Or something like this one:



You'll probably find the hasp and staple cost more than the padlock!