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by Bump » 25 May 2005 16:01
Practising with my new toy when I encountered a 5 lever BS 3621 with levers in order 5-2-5-2-5. Question? How do I keep the alike levers in position whilst I pick its brother? So far no success as I cannot seem to keep enough tension on the bolt thrower. Am I applying too much or too little tension? Dont want to break my flimsy (and expensive tool) but I am determined to get the better of it.
tricky! 
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by pinky » 25 May 2005 16:56
tension etc depends upon lock and which pick you use, try different sequences of picking the levers, once you have set a lever the stump moves a little more into the gate, so if picked in correct sequence of stiffest lever first, then you wont drop any, unless when jumping out of an anti pick you release a little too much tension.
if anti picks cause this, then remember which lever entered the anti pick and lift it a little higher or a little lower next time, it is doubtfull the high levers have bottom fence anti picks and also doubtfull that the number 5 lever will have top fence anti picks, so you know which lever you can lift high and which you cant, all helps to beat the lock.
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by Bump » 26 May 2005 2:45
Thanks Pinky! I will keep trying and remember to take notes as I pick. I am beginning to appreciate all the difficulties of trying to find your way around by touch only. 
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by capt.dunc » 26 May 2005 5:20
remember that the stump on the bolt is rarely perfectly perpendicular to the bolt, so one of the no.5's should bind before the others. i find that sometimes when i have 3 identical levers in a group that i can't get the binding to raise and hold at it's gate. but it can raise part way and hold, then the next and the last, then go back to the first one. with all three now sitting part way to open, i can go back to do them in the same order raising them to their gates.
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by Shrub » 26 May 2005 5:55
What is your new tool? and what lock are you useing it on?
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by Bump » 1 Jun 2005 14:35
Shrub
Sorry for being tardy with a reply, been away for the late spring thingy!
As we are not allowed to refer to specific makers curtain lever sets it should be sufficient to say that I am using a Lever Set available through SKS, I have been practising on a Avocet BS. I fitted it with a Plexiglass cover so that I could see what was happening which allowed me to combine the touch with a visual picture. After a couple of dozen tries I put the metal plate back on and, hey presto, I managed to open it from both sides of the lock within a reasonable time (30-60 seconds) and a better than expected success rate. Confidence is a real motivator to move onto other makes.
Thanks to all  !
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by quicklocks » 1 Jun 2005 14:57
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by Shrub » 2 Jun 2005 5:16
Yes, sorry a lever set doesnt explain it to me as a lever set is somthing you have in the lock not a lock pick.
Well done for opening it though,
All this pick name thing is total BS, you can name anything you want but as quick says dont slag the others off whilst doing it,
I did use a CB pick for a long time but to be honest i now use home made tools 90% of the time which IMHO work far better than any commercial ones i have, the CB pick, SV picks, MF picks etc etc are all very much the same but some work better in certain hands.
Ive seen a new curtain pick (i havent seen it before anyway) it is a triangle shaped turner with a reversable wire, it did 3 and i suppose could theroetically do 6 differant gauges and looked quite well finished, anyone have any ideas on who makes or supplys this tool?
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by Houdini Locksmiths » 2 Jun 2005 5:35
It might be Duffells or Aldridge? I saw what could be the one your on about at the Gmex.
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by Shrub » 2 Jun 2005 5:40
Yep thats where i saw it,
What did you think to it, i didnt get a good look at it and forgot to go back to look,
I thought it may have been duffels but wasnt sure,
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by Houdini Locksmiths » 2 Jun 2005 5:45
A friend of mine bought it, don't know whether hes received it yet. I did use it and in my opinion it felt good and worked well.
It would save you money in the long run buying this tool as it has the different gauges all in one, so it saves money buying the induvidual gauges on other curtain pick models.
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by Shrub » 2 Jun 2005 5:51
Do you remember the cost?
If you can get your hands on it have a go and give us a review.
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by Houdini Locksmiths » 2 Jun 2005 5:55
£170 ish rings a bell, I'll be seeing him soon, so i'll let you know what the pick is really like.
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by toomush2drink » 2 Jun 2005 6:05
Aldridge supply that 3 in 1 tool
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by Shrub » 2 Jun 2005 6:07
I think for that price i will make my own 
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