South East Lockpicking Meetings

[Wallaby]

Normypod,

If you claim to represent the MLA, then all you have done is demonstatrate that the MLA is in big trouble and way behind the times.

At least WE gave you the idea of offering a free lock if you drill one out, the MLA certainly didnt do it, did it ?

As we gave you this valuable marketing advice, why have you attacked us so much ?

We all know why and I suggest you head off back to Jurassic park.

Your failure to answer the question about official recognition (and the MLA is not by the way) demonstrates your lack of knowkedge of this industry ..

You have harmed the MLA today with your ignorance and we certainly would not have done that .. in fact, we respect them .. I would have expected better from an MLA member ...

[pinky]

yes my name realy is pinky, nickname anyway, real name Martin pink, i have not and do not hide behind any form of alias, and despise those that do, including our recent roger cook, if i have something to say or if i have a go at some one , i have enough balls to satnd by what i say and not hiding behind an alias, im open and straight, i believe everyone should be.

in answer to your question, there is no simple yes or no answer, who recognises The MLA exactly ? This is the major problem with industry , there is no governing / awarding body.
but the complicated answer is;

1 ) Through canvassing parliment and through private meetings with ministers and members of parliment and members of the house of lords, they are impressed and support what ICL is doing, So yes these official departments and bodies recognise ICL

2 ) Through discussions with the federation of chief constables, they too support and back what ICL is trying to achieve, so they too recognise ICL

3 ) Of the 8 local authorities approached for now , they all support and welcome what ICL are trying to achieve, so they too recognise ICL.

4 ) Of the charities approached, they too support what ICL is trying to achieve.

5 ) With so many official bodies accepting recognition of ICL and its aims, im sorry if we forgot to ask you for your recognition.

6 ) With ICL in discussion with ed excell and other academic bodies to attain accademic status and recognition, this has been well recieved and their support and help to date has been outstanding, and they will once the QCA has finished recognise ICL.

7 ) With ICL in discussion with many MP's on the current state of the uk locksmith industry, the sharks trading as locksmiths, and the free for all we call training, and the obvious lack of skill and standards as well as monitoring of current locksmiths, these MP's are backing what we are trying to do, and have asked ICL for ideas and discussion in these matters.

8 ) ICL are currently in discussion with one of the Largest worldwide locksmiths associations , to link ICL with them and ensuring all ICL members will also be uk members of this organiseation too , they take ICL seriously enough and are happy to look at this as a workable partnership.

9 ) TV's watchdog program , welcome the ICL philosophy and support its ideals, and if members live up to them will happily endorse ICL, thus gaining customer recognition.

10 ) many of the top toolmakers and suppliers approached welcome the ICL concept and idea and support it and will recognise icl members for trading with and will recognise the ICL membership number and certificate as proof of being an honest trading locksmiths.

11 ) we have approached a number of major nationals, who if ICL can gain nationwide coverage would have no hesitation in using ICL members for their work.

The MLA are an association only and Not an authority so as yet they have not been approached, though i believe thats on the cards, as its the right thing to do, as ICL welcome the opportunity to work with MLA.

Forums such as clearstar have not yet been approached, but again will be when time permits.

So with authorities and official bodies backing the ICL Ideas and Ideals, with academic authorities working with ICL to attain accademic status , with the industries suppliers and toolmakers willing to recognise ICL members and with a worldwide association seriously contemplating an eventual link with ICL , id say that with those that matter , yes ICL is and will be recognised.

with current associations but not authorities , i would say No ICL is not yet recognised , with the majority of trading locksmiths i would say No ICL will not yet be recognised , after all ICL has not yet been officialy launched and is still in its launch phase, which is why too much can and hasnt yet been released, and in prioritising , we all thought it best to canvass authorities and officials first , prior to approaching other associations.

So the only honest and upfront answer i can give anyone for now as far as recognition go's , is yes the ICL is recognised by many official and some industry bodies, and no it is not yet recognised by other associations and some lesser bodies, so in short all i can honestly answer to this is yes and no, but to the no area , this is currently being worked upon and towards.

your question was by no means easy to answer, and a simple yes or no could not suffice, as to say yes fully would have been wrong, and to say no would also have been wrong.

The problem with the locksmith industry is that there is absolutely no recognised authority, or any form of formal recognition at all for anyone body, though im assured that this will be debated and addressed in the future, so ICL thought it best to attain official department recognition, academic recognition and the recognition of officials, and with its ethics and non profit making ethos, it will become a leading figure for the future, as one cannot gain full recognition overnight, as this currently does not exist.

Now I have answered you question as honestly and as openly as i can at present, as there just is not a simple yes or no answer, so why not be a man and admit who you really are and admit your other 101 identity, i have been honest with you, now be a big boy and show the same honesty, if you dare.

This is not a subject for this thread, and i have answered you as best i can, not that an alias has any rights to any answers, so i hope that this puts this to bed once and for all, and i would welcome this question again in 6 months and 12 months time, as the answer would im sure be more simple for me to answer, though i think all will know the answer by then without having to ask.

end of essay and my typing finger.

[pinky]

just to add guys, normy did not say he represented the mla, just that he has membership, also he did not state whether he was a student member or advanced student member.

i would not for 1 minute state that the MLA were behind this post, as i know they would not lower themself, but in fairness to normy, he did not at any time say he represented the mla.

i can understand his wanting to protect the association and being proud of the association he belongs too, i too respect the MLA , and currently no other association is as respected or recognised within industry as the MLA, They still hold the undisputed No 1 spot, and no one can dispute that, and even if ICL fails to take the No 1 spot, i can assure everyone that it will be the best 2nd ever.

An MLA member does not represent the mla, the guys entitled to ask questions, i just wish people had the conviction to ask such questions and to make such statements under their true name, its hard to take a slating from an alias , but in fairness to normy, i have answered his question as best as i can and as honestly as i can.

hes not made this personal, so nor should we, and if normy wishes to pm or email me under his true identity , il happily to discuss things with him openly on line or in private, and will assure him noone in MLA or anywhere else will find out his id from me, im alot of things, but im straight, and if i say something , i do stand by it

[NORMYPOD]

i'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL MY TRUE IDENTITY AS i DON'T THINK IT IS RELEVANT BUT HATS OFF TO YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION BOTH FULLY AND HONESTLY

gOODBYE

[sidpick]

Well, lets put this back on track eh?!?

South east lockpick meetings............

Big smiles, lockpicks etc...



Heres my 'ultra new' tension tool for vehicle overlifting, all these ideas floating about and looking at pictures made me want to make something.
Its a bit of wood with two long tension arms which are cut from a slim jim, then filed down to fit.

All with a dremmel tool and a hand file, works a treat and it is off set allowing you to tension recessed keyholes

also made a nice little curtain pick:




The wire's are from a model shop and the handle is from B and Q, works pretty good too!!

Lets get back to lockpicking eh!!!!
Sid

[toomush2drink]

Nice creations, looks like i need to get busy with the dremmel again on the pick making front.

[sidpick]

Copied yours mate!!!!!!! works a treat, will be giving Wallaby a run for his money on the old curtain picking (snigger!!!!)

[toomush2drink]

So its basically a copy of a hybrid copy of a copy ....................................

[quicklocks]

[toomush2drink]

Arrh but if it aint broke why try to fix it ?

[quicklocks]

[mr curious]

my kit has trippled in size since the meet.

i'v made a curtain pick from B&Q bits
an auto tension wrench from an old wiper arm
a plug spinner from B&Q & wiper bits
and iv managed to pick up so many key blanks.

i will post picks asap....having trouble hosting them from camedia

also thanks to sid my cylinder picking is improving.
iv concentrated on "pin by pin".....
theres a lot to be said for going right back to basics

[sidpick]

Good man, from what we saw, you will be an 'expert picker' in no time!!
It will be good to see all the stuff you have made, I find www.photobucket.com is really easy, as I had no clue of how to do pictures before I came on this site!!
Keep on picking, 1 pin at a time, you'll get a better feeling for it!
Rakings great, but it leaves so much trace, bumping good but you can either do it or not!! (as I am finding out!) and with the raking, you are not really using your skill to its full potential!
Check out the raking stuff from europe - my god its impressive there in quicker than a key, certainly they have learnt a great skill but I bet they learnt pure picking first!

[mr curious]

yea i think your right, they probably have a good
grounding of the basics which helps them respond
to the feedback through the tools.

my theory is getting there but alot more practice is needed
to get to your standard
but i will get there!..............some day

i should be coming to the next meet so you can try out my
cheep DIY tools.
i think im going to give killeon a run for his money

[illusion]

this thread is old, and this meeting might not even still be active, but i'm located in Kent at the moment and was wondering if you would be against a new member joining?

If so could you perhaps give details of future meetings?

if not then i guess i've just invited flaming, granted this thread is indeed quite old... likely i've missed some thread about this... in that case feel free to laugh at my expense