Official Launch of Locksport International

by **RenderMan** » 12 Jul 2005 15:21

Hopefully the Alberta one gets going and spurs everyone else to start thiers.

I'm doing my best!

by **Chrispy** » 12 Jul 2005 16:51

I was "spurred" as soon as db mentioned it.

by **helix** » 18 Jul 2005 8:12

Application sent.
...so someone else from Perth send one in too.
My family already think that I have imaginary friends....
..I don't want to be in a group of people that wholely
consists of me :cry:

That would get me put away :shock:

by **Chrispy** » 18 Jul 2005 15:26

"Now, now *insert helix's real name here*..... these nice men are here to help you. That? Oh that's just a nice warm jacket for your trip to the chocolate factory.....

by **Santos718** » 18 Jul 2005 15:35

Chrispy wrote:"Now, now *insert helix's real name here*..... these nice men are here to help you. That? Oh that's just a nice warm jacket for your trip to the chocolate factory.....

"song breaks out from nowhere"

umpa lumpa dumpada dee, if you are wise you'll listen to me.

by **Chrispy** » 18 Jul 2005 16:01

Santos718 wrote:"song breaks out from nowhere"

umpa lumpa dumpada dee, if you are wise you'll listen to me.

by **helix** » 18 Jul 2005 19:39

Santos718 wrote:"song breaks out from nowhere"

umpa lumpa dumpada dee, if you are wise you'll listen to me.

IT'S THEM AGAIN!!!!

*Homer's voice
AAaAaAaaaAaAAaaaAAHHH!!!

*Dives clumsily into candy water. :shock:

by **skold** » 22 Jul 2005 4:08

*licks helix* mmmmm candy water flavoured Mr Helix man

by **helix** » 22 Jul 2005 5:34

hehehehhehehehehehehehehhe.....
......hehehehe

by **cracksman** » 2 Aug 2005 19:55

Well my LSI package arrived a few days ago

It came complete with an ID, charter, rules, even a business card! It looks like LSI is well on its way. I would just like to encourage people here at LP101 to apply for membership. It is really exciting to be in on the ground floor of a new organization like this. So get off your arse, goto http://locksport.com/ get the application and send it in!!!

p.s. hey db why can't I see the logo when I visit the sight?

by **Chrispy** » 2 Aug 2005 21:13

Hope my 'package' gets here soon. Have you sent it yet db/Varj?

by **zekeo** » 5 Aug 2005 10:17

phew. I would really like to join, but I'm not sure if I can abide by a few of the rules. #2 - DB, I thought you liked to pick in your car? I like to practice in my car, at work, etc... #3 I'd have a hard time not helping a friend in need. And most importantly #6.. what about lockpicking101? We aren't allowed to share any knowlege from meetings on this site?

I definitely appreciate the need for strict rules, but if I agree to them I would take them seriously. any thoughts about my concerns?

by **digital_blue** » 5 Aug 2005 12:22

Hey zekeo.

Ok, here goes...

In response to Rule # 3, the idea is that we do not want to create a club which acts in competition to the locksmithing industry. Lockpickers are not locksmiths, by and large. Most of us, myself included, lack a whole heck of a lot of knowledge and expertice that extends beyond picking a lock. Leave it to the pros, so to speak. To be perfectly honest, I would not hesitate to pick my friends lock if he were in a bind - I've done so several times - but I would not accept any payment for the service and would do my best to not jeopardize my local locksmithing industry.

Rule # 2 is of particular importance to those living in areas where possession of lock picking tools is regulated (such as Alberta). The intent of the whole document is to protect LSI and its members from possible legal difficulties as a result of our hobby. It is difficult to write one document that encompasses all possible scenarios in all areas. In my area, lock pick tools are not regulated by local authorities so I am not in violation of any law by possessing tools and, say, picking locks for fun in my car. Since no license is offered for pick tools, I can not be in violation of a law that says I need one. Simply put, if I am breaking the law by possessing pick tools, so is every locksmith in my city.

The idea behind Rule #6 was to address the concern that people might learn to pick locks through attending LSI meetiing, but teach the skills to others who might abuse the knowledge. Of course continuing to share information with others on this site, presuming that you continue to do so within the boundries set by the site rules, would still be allowed and encouraged.

I think it is important to take the 'spirit' of the document into consideration and apply common sense. In cases of grey areas, we have the board to make final decisions. Many of these rules need to be in place to give some clout to the board in respect to making decisions based on members conduct. We have tried to create a document that is as free as can be expected of "loopholes" which would allow unethical behavour on the part of a member. To simplify, if you are picking locks lawfully in your vehicle for practice, no one will ever condemn you for doing so. But use common sense, and please make an attempt to stay miles away from "grey areas" which might put the club in a bad light.

Even laws themselves are often grey and are written in a similar fashion to allow law enforcement to act where needed. We have a legal system to sort out the stuff that does not fit neatly into one category or another. In a similar form, we have the board to sort out those questionable areas. I suspect that 99% of our members will not have any problems keeping in check with the spirit of our Charter and Rules of Conduct, but it needs to be there to protect the club and show that we are taking many precautions to prevent illegal or immoral activity within our ranks.

Hope this clears up a somewhat muddy issue. Thanks for the questions!

db

by **zekeo** » 5 Aug 2005 13:37

I pretty much agree with your response. I wouldn't charge a friend either, and understand the need to gain the support of the locksmithing community. Your answer to #2, however, is somewhat problematic as you argue that you are following the law whereas rule 1 says that these rules take precedence over the law.

I understand what you're saying about trying to close off loopholes, however I think it is dangerous groud to start on to agree to a set of rules that have so much grey area. Saying that you or I can pick locks outside of the privacy of our own homes even through the rules explicity state we can't hurts the credibility of the whole document.

It seems like a lot of the specific rules could be replaced with something like "all members will respect all local, state, and national laws in respect to lockpicking."

On a side note I wanted to thank you for all the hard work you've put into this organization. You're doing a great job.

by **vector40** » 5 Aug 2005 19:58

Yes, I just read the rules through now, and I have some real misgivings. Among other things, a strict read of this code of conduct completely eliminates and invalidates not only LP101 but the entire existing sport/hobby/amateur picking community EXCEPT those people who happen to sign on. Leetle bit elitest? Leetle bit of the same stuff we fight against here from the ivory tower locksmithing community?

I understand the desire to saveguard the organization against legal trouble, but as it stands I see these rules as something that will simply be ignored by most members. Is that the INTENT? The "rules" are just a facade for any gunning lawyers, and the only real rule is just "use common sense"?

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