Article on CNET

[globallockytoo]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-100021 ... ag=nl.e703


interesting theories???

[hydruh]

We believe that lock picking, obviously, is an illicit activity

They can't believe that they are going to make many friends with that attitude in THIS day and age, can they?

S

[freakparade3]

Well he's right about one thing. Pick manufacturers are breaking US federal law.

[maintenanceguy]

Well he's right about one thing. Pick manufacturers are breaking US federal law.

Can you elaborate?

[MacGnG1]

they are saying the same thing as other articles... its not like hacking cause u cant just download an update.... well there was also a thing on the evening news about a year back about bump keys... how was that any different than it being on youtube??? you are letting them know about vulnerabilities. thats good, but how long did it take them to come out with the BUMP STOP locks since bump keys became known and popularized??

i feel that these articles keep comparing hacking and lock picking but they are simply NOT the same. the companies should be thanking hobby lock pickers that find faults in their locks to help them improve their products FOR FREE!!

so the thing on bump keys on the news didnt make everyone run out to the store and buy these new "bump proof locks" .... i feel these articles are really just trying to scare people. but instead of telling the readers to go visit your local lock smith they should worry why the locks arent secure enuf.

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[freakparade3]

Well he's right about one thing. Pick manufacturers are breaking US federal law.

Can you elaborate?

Mailing lockpicks of lock bypassing devices to anyone who is not a locksmith or person in the security industry is against federal law. That is the reason all the sites state "we will only ship to locksmiths, by submitting this order you state you are a locksmith" or something to that effect. The liability is all on the buyer. If they try to go back on the company you lied.

[lunchb0x]

they are saying the same thing as other articles... its not like hacking cause u cant just download an update.... well there was also a thing on the evening news about a year back about bump keys... how was that any different than it being on youtube??? you are letting them know about vulnerabilities. thats good, but how long did it take them to come out with the BUMP STOP locks since bump keys became known and popularized??

i feel that these articles keep comparing hacking and lock picking but they are simply NOT the same. the companies should be thanking hobby lock pickers that find faults in their locks to help them improve their products FOR FREE!!

so the thing on bump keys on the news didnt make everyone run out to the store and buy these new "bump proof locks" .... i feel these articles are really just trying to scare people. but instead of telling the readers to go visit your local lock smith they should worry why the locks arent secure enuf.

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your right, the media can go on about bump keys and make it sound like they are helping the public, but someone on youtube doing the same thing is a criminal, the difference is the kid on youtube will give you all the facts and educate people on how to prevent this from happening to their house, and the media wants to scare the viewers so they keep watching their crappy news to up the ratings.

[prag]

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"The goal is to make security better. As soon as it's not responsible to do research, the bad guys win," Schneier said

Today we had this old lady that was locked out of her house. She had a security gate at her front door and I'm sure if I'd pulled hard enough on the security door, it would have come off.
Secondly, She had a flimsy electric stricker lock with no wires. Just the lock.

It took us longer to get there than to open the lock but we explained the vulnerablily of this system to her. Anybody with a basic tool set can gain entry to her home. By sharing information, with the appropriate people either cleints or manufactures , we can solve a faulty lock or mechinism of the locking problem. This particular customer was happy that we could offer a superior safety product that can secure her home.

On the other hand we have complained to manufactures about faulty lock or it's mechanism, but it feels like it falls on deaf ears. Two instances come to mind. One was that the key supplied by the lock manufacturers don't fit. Now I know that we are suppose to check it but before a lock leaves a factory it should be checked by quality control.

The second instance is a very well known South African lock that has a reversable striker. This way the lock does not have to be opened to turn the striker to the left or right depending on where the door closes to the inside or out. There is a fault with it and when the door is slammed this mechanism breaks. Now the manufacturer knows about this and afterwards tells us to hang on and just keep on replacing the lock. Atleast they acknowledged there was a problem, but for now we must put in locks that have to be replace in the near future. That another call out (at our expense) and possible damage to our reputation as locksmiths

These problems should be tested and sorted out at manufacturing level because this poduct suppose to be the better lock available. Standards need to be maintained in all sectors of our industry. Also a forum with locksmiths and manufacturers need to be opened so possible problem like these can be iron out without a effecting the security of the lock.

[Squelchtone]

These problems should be tested and sorted out at manufacturing level because this poduct suppose to be the better lock available. Standards need to be maintained in all sectors of our industry. Also a forum with locksmiths and manufacturers need to be opened so possible problem like these can be iron out without a effecting the security of the lock.

Thank you for sharing the examples with us. You have some good ideas which should definately implemented.

I just noticed where you were from and I'm glad you found your way to this forum. I know that before the internet such far reaching communications would be irregular if not entirely impossible. I'm glad to see users from all over the planet meeting up here and talking about the locksport and locksmith situtation in their countries and continents.

cheers
Squelchtone

[globallockytoo]

Y'know it seems that the manufacturing sector is finally waking up to themselves from the Locksport and hobby pickers input.

For far too long it seemed they refused to listen the the locksmith industry and refused to improve their product lines.

The locksmith industry in the past has always looked at the Locksport and hobby pickers communities as terrorists hell bent on exposing the weaknesses of the locksmith profession.

That is definitely not the case. Without the recent influence that Locksport and sundry have established, making lock manufacturers accountable would not have happened.

You'd be surprised at how many locksmiths are altering their views toward Locksport and hobbiests.

For me.....I wish there were more interest in my area....because I could certainly train a few people in locksmithing and try to instill the right way instead of the "old" way.

Having a hobbiest community with which to source potential new recruits to the trade, will certainly encourage the trade to evolve and expand.

[maintenanceguy]

Well he's right about one thing. Pick manufacturers are breaking US federal law.

Can you elaborate?

Mailing lockpicks of lock bypassing devices to anyone who is not a locksmith or person in the security industry is against federal law. That is the reason all the sites state "we will only ship to locksmiths, by submitting this order you state you are a locksmith" or something to that effect. The liability is all on the buyer. If they try to go back on the company you lied.

It's only a violation of postal regulations to ship lock picks. It's completely legal as long as your shipping by some other carrier.

[freakparade3]

Anytime I have ever ordered them they have been mailed.

[RangerF150]

Anytime I have ever ordered them they have been mailed.

Same here, and labeled as "tools"

The internet has put paid to keeping things secret !
Lock manufactures need to pay heed to this, in the same way anyone else out there is intent on keeping the public in the dark about matters which ultimately affect them.
The auto industry has a long an unethical history of keeping flaws secret, in the hope that the odd accident would be less than a total recall.
There are too many people out there pounding on locks, looking for flaws, this is not going to change anytime soon. In fact it's old hat !!

I was doing some reading on C Babbage, the great English mathematician who lived in the 1800's. He was a hobby lockpicker.
There ain't nothing new in the world, just the internet has removed the isolation we geeks, hackers, and "pounders" lived in !

But even the internet is not new !
The invention of the telegraph brought a lot of issues that the invention of the internet has brought. The English government back in the 1800's tried to ban the sending of encoded messages on the telegraph, they failed.
It was impossible to implement. They ( the English Government) mandated that sending offices keep copies of all messages sent ( something which ISP's are now mandated to do ).

There where always hackers ( Babbage linked lockpicking and cyrptography together ) , always will be. Live with it !!
Long live the internet

[raimundo]

the simple minds always try to restrict the freedom of others, whenever they have broad success, its called a dark age, nothing advances and horrors abound

[Vonture]

they are saying the same thing as other articles... its not like hacking cause u cant just download an update.... well there was also a thing on the evening news about a year back about bump keys... how was that any different than it being on youtube??? you are letting them know about vulnerabilities. thats good, but how long did it take them to come out with the BUMP STOP locks since bump keys became known and popularized??

i feel that these articles keep comparing hacking and lock picking but they are simply NOT the same. the companies should be thanking hobby lock pickers that find faults in their locks to help them improve their products FOR FREE!!

so the thing on bump keys on the news didnt make everyone run out to the store and buy these new "bump proof locks" .... i feel these articles are really just trying to scare people. but instead of telling the readers to go visit your local lock smith they should worry why the locks arent secure enuf.

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I would go as far to say that most computer hackers publish their hacks almost as soon as they find them and/or inform the software developer which also improves the software for free. Hackers and hobby lockpickers are often put in this bad light when they actually help the developers/designers/manufacturers immensely.