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by **paullockout** » 20 Oct 2007 18:07

no problem apreciate the advice regarding mla as i said earlier was advice i was after and if you take a look its removed from web site.. not tryin to make out im something im not.. but a web site is after all like a shop window and needs to look good..from what ive seen on here there are many good tips and tricks and loads of usefull information..if you dont mind me asking what part of kent are you from

by **lockey1963** » 20 Oct 2007 18:14

you claim 95% nde , if this is true then look at warrant work as a good source of income and regular work.
if sitting at home waiting for phone to ring, then it wont happen, you will spend your day fending off sales people.

if trained 7 years ago or 7 days ago, it doesnt matter, what matters is how well you sell yourself, and what contracts you get in on, who ever trained you should have advised you on work and where to get it, and should have told you how hard the market is to get a living wage from.

look at warrant work or contracting to decent nationals, not those that give you a 40% split, concentrate on your strengths, if a handy chippy i would bet you could fit locks and panic hardware better than most lockies , so a strength, work out how you can exploit the skills you have when added to locksmithing and create a unique package and market to your strengths.

by **lockey1963** » 20 Oct 2007 18:15

Rochester , land of charles dickens so they say.

by **paullockout** » 20 Oct 2007 18:26

funny that.. the guy who trained me had me fit his front door and locks for him as i was more capable.. he just trained me in picking but as i had a bit of knowledge allready i think i made his task a little bit easier..but onwards and upwards i say he gave me some training and a bit of a kick have allways wanted to be a locky and as for joinery and fitting locks have done all that so not a prob and thanks for advice it is all much apreciated and allways act on good information..as for wanting to know your area was only wondering as i know a car dealer in maidstone who i met years ago who does a lot of work with the sheriff repo work and such used to go and help when i wasnt working they often used lockies to gain entry

by **lockey1963** » 20 Oct 2007 18:38

cars a nightmare these days, with chipped keys , programming etc , a real specialist field these days.

maidstones a good night out still, and only a short drive down bluebell hill from me.

When you sit down and analise what you have to offer, you will find far more profitable areas than openings, fitting bars and grills , UPVC , access control, complete service to landlords, boarding up, door hanging , glazing , lock fitting , burglary repairs as well as openings, and all areas your skills may well be better than your competion, you will have alot of strengths, all you need to is harness your ads in the right direction and to the right people.
it will surprise you how many lockies cannot hang a door, cannot repair a frame, many new guys have never fitted a lock, all more usefull than just opening.

If really wanting opening work as stated look at warrants with one of the 3main contractors, teamwork , rs or 1st call lockouts , all have plenty of work for good openers.

by **paullockout** » 20 Oct 2007 18:47

you might know the guy then... johns motors he traded as.. he did a lot of removing people from properties with the sherif too i meant..was actually looking at grills but not sure where best to purchase them from to be honest measuring and fitting wouldnt be a problem..and might be good to get in on as the missus wants to move to spain where her families from in the not so distant future and all properties out there have grills so could hopefully keep doing the same work..whos best to contact about warrant work..been trying to get list of landlords in this area rather than go through the letting agents but not having much luck like i say not only finding work hard as i dont know the area too well finding leads and such is even harder

by **lockey1963** » 20 Oct 2007 18:53

teamwork from essex and worcester , rs from london and 1st call lockouts from birmingham have alot of national contracts, just pop these names in google search bar and you should find their websites easy enough.

dont know johns motors, though only go into maidstone on the lash.

by **p team** » 21 Oct 2007 4:42

paullockout
Try this site if you want to get into the PVC side of things.
http://www.dawta.co.uk

by **paullockout** » 21 Oct 2007 7:22

paullockout
Try this site if you want to get into the PVC side of things.
www.dawta.co.uk

thanks will take a look

by **paullockout** » 21 Oct 2007 9:41

http://www.landlords-uk.net/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=13

something i thought of and have put information on not sure what response there will be but thought i would share it[/quote]

by **toomush2drink** » 21 Oct 2007 13:27

Well im not surprised the phone isnt ringing as the market is flooded with locksmiths.Your website doesnt help you either. Learn about marketing and you will understand why.

Everyone wants everything for free these days but forget they are running a business just like the ones they want advice from.Join an organisation and you get far better help. Learn how to run a business and you wont need to ask how to get work. If your serious, spending money to bring in money wont be a problem and its the only way to get anywhere in this game.

by **paullockout** » 21 Oct 2007 16:15

Well im not surprised the phone isnt ringing as the market is flooded with locksmiths.Your website doesnt help you either. Learn about marketing and you will understand why.

Everyone wants everything for free these days but forget they are running a business just like the ones they want advice from.Join an organisation and you get far better help. Learn how to run a business and you wont need to ask how to get work. If your serious, spending money to bring in money wont be a problem and its the only way to get anywhere in this game.

have i touched a nerve here or something ..was asking for some friendly advice you know like if someones been in the trade for years and came across any pitfalls.. they may be happy to pass that information on to new buissnesses ..to save people money on advertising and going down the expensive and maybe not so clever route..marketing is an issue in every buissness..if there are problems on my web site that is clear to you marketing experts then why not say can take criticism..when its constructive.. but saying your web site doesnt help then moving on to another subject is beyond me like being in the secret service this..thought it was an online forum to ask questions and recieve advice from those who have been down the same road

by **paullockout** » 21 Oct 2007 16:19

oh and im willing to pay for advice too from the right sources.. just trying to stay clear of the ones that dont work.. would save me money and time if thats a crime then lock me up and throw away the key.. im sure i can pick it :lol:

by **toomush2drink** » 21 Oct 2007 19:11

I actually gave you some very good advice about your website as did someone previously in the thread so why do i need to repeat it ? If people give you good advice and you don't bother to listen how can you expect your business to grow ?
Google "marketing" and learn a little and you will see what is glaringly obvious to many.Im not going to spoon feed you as that wont help you succeed, you need to help yourself by learning and more importantly listening.

Oh and before you start another rant about no one helping you, as mentioned previously in the thread your website doesnt even show your phone number on the home page therefore losing you stacks of possible calls.Statistics show most people will leave a website within 8 seconds of visiting it so if they cannot find your number you just lost the customer...

Im no expert , just someone who chose to learn about these things.You wont save time and money as you put it because as mentioned before in this thread (yawn) every area is different to what works.You need to spend money to find out what works in your area,there are no shortcuts, something i mentioned before.

by **paullockout** » 22 Oct 2007 7:15

you dont need to repeat anything (toomush2drink) i have listened and actually acted on some of the information ive recieved allready and gratefull to those who pass that information on.

I also dont need spoon feeding as i am like others trying to improve my buissness, if i have to go back to the drawing board and learn about marketing thats what i will do no problem, which i am infact doing day to day.

As for ranting about anyone helping me, dont expect any help if noone is willing to give some friendly advice thats fine, wasnt aware of the phone number on home page making a difference, but appreciate someone telling me.

Have spent many a late night and unlimited hours searching for information and there is so much out there and a lot of it usefull, but also a lot missleading so thought it best to ask the people in same industry what works best for them, if that is a little too much to ask then thats fine just dont think there is a need to be rude (yawn)

As for spending money, im like everyone else i set my budget and try to stick to it, but aside all that have acted on information ive recieved and appreciate all the positive points from the site, how else do you know when your making mistakes other than when someone tells you.

Everyone has there own talent mine obviously isnt marketing if my marketing was working i wouldnt be asking others for advice, im not here to argue my case against all who wish to make comments just posted a topic and asked for advice.

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