Bludgeoning the R70

[bzeurunkl]

Ok, so it's only my third lock, but I am aroused by defiance. I hear Dolph Lungren saying "I must break you." The more it resists me, the more determined I am.

I'd like to know something from the more experienced pickers.

It's obvious from the way this thing feels that there's more to it than meets the eye. For one thing, the torque wrench actually turns the tube a degree or two and you can feel that it's pushing against a spring. When it turns, the shackle also turns a bit with it, the same amount - a fraction of an inch, and then hits hard and will go no more.

I've noticed that if I torque it hard, then HOLD the shackle so that it can't go back to it's original position, the tube also looses it's play and becomes rigidly fixed in place.

That's the first thing. The second thing is this. I stuck in a flat tool (half-diamond) UPSIDE DOWN - flat side down toward the pins and pushed them all completely down flat against the bottom. THEN I torqued the thing hard and let go of the pins. They all stay flat down on the bottom.

Then I VERY gradually lessen the torque, and watch the order that the pins release. They always pop up #3, #1, #2, #4. I think that the order the pins release says something about how they fit in the holes or against the cylinder tube, and I also think that there's exploitable information in this discovery. Does anyone agree? Or am I just discovering something that has nothing to do with beating this thing?


RZ

[pizarro]

if they always pop up #3, #1, #2, #4, try picking them in the order 4, 2, 1, 3.

[vector40]

Don't lose too much sleep over the interplay of the shackle and the plug. The internal mechanism, whatever it happens to be, shouldn't affect your picking, aside from the fact that (as you observed) there may be a spring, which changes the feel a little.

Who the heck makes the R70?

[bzeurunkl]

Who the heck makes the R70?

Mine says "Brinks".

[zeke79]

It has spool pins in atleast 2 chambers of 4 and has heavy spring loading on the cylinder. This lock will take a bit of practice as a beginner. Stick with it and play with different amounts of tension. Do a search for spool pins to get an idea of what you are up against too.

[hippy5749]

I bought one from my local walmart because it listed itself as HIGH security. I actually raked it open in my first couple of minutes. Then I tried pin by pin. Couldn't do it as well. Then I started thinking what if it contained spool or mushroom pins in it. I worked on it and found that you have to have a VERY light touch on the tension wrench. You will feel it pop the same as a regular. If it doesn't, it's the spool pin. Ease up on the tension wrench just a bit and push your pick a little harder. You should feel that pop. Keep at it, you will get accustomed to it. I also find that you may have to vary your tension wrench after you pick it to get set all the pins........
Hope this helps......

[illusion]

Varying, or bouncing the tension is a really useful technique to learn.

Use light tension to just avoid the security pins setting in the first place.

If you like, you may want to try this: when the security pins ahve false-set and the olug has turned a bit, and stopped. Release a lot of tension, and lift the security pins with your pick, this should force the plug to turn slighly, towards the neutral position. Lift the pin until you feel it set true, and then reapply tension. Follow the smae procedure until all the pins are set. When the plug turns a bit and stops you can tell which ones are security pins - the ones impossible to push down, or lift are security pins, once you've founf them just foollow the above methord.

I've had a degree of sucess using this on quite a few locks, try it and see if it helps.

Hope this helps